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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Scott Schrum

Andrew Scott Schrum has started 1 posts and replied 3 times.

Post: Is now a good time to invest - My Thoughts

Andrew Scott SchrumPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Wichita, KS
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 0
Quote from @Shiela R.:

Sure thing @Andrew Scott Schrum.  I hear you.  Seems like your chart is national.  which, IMHO is about as useful as a national weather forecast. :)  I know from living through a full cycle in real estate, that rents do not go up indefinitely in every area.  They often stagnate, in some areas they decline. Agree that your point that rent vacancy is cyclical might be a more accurate statement. 

For example, when I started I had 2 beds 1 bath, all utilities included apartments in a 4plex.  They went from $650-$700 and back down to $575 (just to get rented) depending on the market.  Although I live in spreadsheets, I sold this property years ago so don't have the exact data but you get the point.  As I always say, you must know your market.

Cheers!

Couldn’t agree more with your comment that rent volatility will be market specific. Markets that have had less aggressive growth (like mine) are much less likely to experience any decline in markets rents. However, stagnation is likely from current elevated levels and consistent with historical data. 

Appreciate your insights on this Shiela!

Post: Is now a good time to invest - My Thoughts

Andrew Scott SchrumPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Wichita, KS
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 0
Quote from @Shiela R.:

@Andrew Scott Schrum interesting.  I was born in KS :) Fun discussion!

So I agree with a lot of what you said. There is a strategy that wins in any market, yes - but not necessarily the same strategy for every market;) It totally depends on the asset class, IMHO. I've not bought SFHs in a traditional sense, since 2017. But if something falls into my lap, with very little money down, I'm in. See my post of "SFH bought for $10 sold for $800k". I don't think you can bank on rents continuing to go up. Markets go up and down and are historically, cyclical. Patience and education will help avoid common mistakes and create the self-confidence to be successful in any market. Bottom line: if you are not buying on terms, you must get a discount. 

People often ask what am I investing in? In addition to using "creative finance" with SFHs, I also invest in funds that have diverse asset classes IE. self storage, RV parks, mobile home parks, performing and non performing notes.  


Thanks Shiela, I'll have to check out your articles! You're point about education is well taken, I've found the best investors/professionals/humans never stop learning. Self actualization is the name of the game.

In the spirit of education - I would push back on the notion that rents are cyclical. At least historically speaking, this has not been true for most markets. Rent values have elements of seasonality, but when smoothed, have been quite sticky during economic slowdowns with a strong positive trend over time. You could make a case that rental vacancy is cyclical, but even that claim is weak from a historical data perspective. (The shaded areas in the graph below are recessions)

Cheers from one Kansan to another!

Post: Is now a good time to invest - My Thoughts

Andrew Scott SchrumPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Wichita, KS
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 0

The question on everyone’s mind: Is now a good time to invest in real estate? This question is hard to answer because it’s always personal, market (mine is Eastern Kansas) & deal specific. However, below are my high-level thoughts as I think through this challenge for my own business.

*None of the following is financial advice, just my opinion. Do your own research and seek professional help.

Thoughts:

  1. Free call option on lower interest rates: If you can find a deal that cashflows and hits your return criteria when you borrow at today’s market rates, you essentially own a “call option” if rates go lower. For those unfamiliar, an “option” allows the owner to benefit if the market moves in their favor but doesn’t hurt them if it doesn’t. For example, say you find a deal that hits your return criteria at current interest rates. If rates stay the same or move higher, all else constant, you’re not impacted. However, if rates move lower and you capitalize with a refinance, you will benefit from both increased cashflow & equity build-up. This could be powerful if market interest rates move back to the 4% - 4.5% range in the future.
  1. Always think relative to your capacity to purchase: The decision to invest in anything should always be weighed against both the risk & return profile of the investment & the size of the investment relative to your total capacity to invest (position size). In real-estate, your capacity to invest in residential property is often governed by your personal net worth, debt-to-income ratio & banking relationships. If you only have the capacity to buy one property, the deal needs to be a great one for you to continue your investment journey. This should lower your risk tolerance and raise your return criteria. However, if you have the capacity to buy 10 deals at anytime, the risk of buying a deal in any market is greatly reduced. If you get a lemon or the market goes against you, your still in the game for the next peach!
  1. I’m going to wait until the recession sets in mindset: If you’ve been in the real estate investment community, you’ve heard this 1,000 times minimum over the last five years. While this argument seems intuitive at first, it lacks practicality & doesn’t consider the risk of not investing. Many people think of recession as homogenous (i.e. every recession is the same). The reality is starkly different. For example, in the dot-com recession in 2001 housing prices barely budged in stable markets, on average. However, in 2008 where the recession was centered on housing & banking, prices fell across the board. Following the 2008 recession banking regulations were strengthened significantly, while not impossible, these regulations make it unlikely for US housing to be the epicenter of any recession over the near future. To be clear, this certainly doesn’t mean average real estate prices can’t fall. However, it does mean there is a higher probability they fall by less than expected if you’re falling victim to recently bias in expecting 2008 to happen again.
  1. Impacts of inflation on rent: The recent impacts from the government stimulus & supply chain breakdowns following covid have caused inflation to rise across industries and geographies. I’m sure you’re noticing this in your own life, I certainly am! The impacts of inflation are true for rent as well. In my markets, rent has increased ~10% year-over-year. Historically, rent has been extremely “sticky,” where once they increase they very rarely fall significantly. There are deals in most markets where older landlords have long-term tenants where rent hasn’t been increased in years. Most of the time, this amounts to only a modest opportunity. However, in the current market this could be a much bigger opportunity for return.

My Conclusion: The question of “should I invest in this market” needs to be reframed to “what is a strategy that allows me to win in all markets”. Think about the implications of following the “waiting for a recession” strategy in 2017? You lost. A strategy that wins in all markets must:

  • - Ensure action on growing your portfolio in any market.
  • - Have appropriate risk mandates that ensure you are never a forced seller in any market condition.
  • - Ensure you always have excess capacity to add a material amount of property to your portfolio if we enter a market environment where prices fall.

Utilizing these principles, every market condition is an opportunity. If housing prices & rents rise (like they usually do), you’re in the game and profiting. If housing prices fall, you’re prepared to capitalize by significantly adding to your portfolio. If housing markets are flat, you’re enjoying the cashflow, equity build-up & tax benefits of your investments. You win.

It is my belief that these principles, if followed, give you a high probability of being successful over the long-term. The problem: like most intelligent investment strategies it takes patience and self-confidence to execute. With this, I hit send. Hopefully this helps. Cheers guys, here’s to an abundant future!