@Andrew Postell (I think I like your name a little better) appreciate the response and great detail you put into it.
I guess the reason I was looking into a way to get into a fixer upper using the VA wouldn't be to offset the down payment but to build the equity fast as the only downside (IMO) with a no money down VA Loan would be no immediate equity (at least with a down payment you would have your down payment worth of equity. Of course as I'm typing this I'm remembering what Brandon said about the criteria for a good deal (not paying more than 80% of current value) would get you immediate equity even with a no money down loan.
I will have to continue my research but you definitely have helped point me in the right direction and opened my eyes that because I'm not putting any money down I can focus on the real deal of paying only 80% of market value then use the money for forced appreciation even if it wont be as great I wont have to spend as much.
Once again appreciate your input and cant wait to keep the conversation going as I get further along in my research and learning.