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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Perkins

Andrew Perkins has started 15 posts and replied 73 times.

Post: Seeking Career Advice?

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Jim Pellerin:
Quote from @Andrew Perkins:

My current career is challenging and never boring. The pay is good, the company is great, and there are plenty of opportunities for growth. However, there’s just something that I can never shake off.

Every chance I get, I find myself talking about real estate, mortgage rates, and loan strategies. I find every excuse to analyze properties and build spreadsheets for rehabs and rentals. Every real estate transaction I’ve been involved in (we’ve bought and rehabbed a couple of long term rentals) has been so enjoyable and I always think that if I could spend every day immersed in all things real estate it would be my dream job.

That being said, I’ve spent almost a decade working hard to build my career as a leader in the construction industry. I keep waving my thoughts off and telling myself to stay the course. It almost feels irresponsible to explore something like becoming a real estate agent at the expense of something that I’ve dedicated so much time to.

I guess I’m wondering if my passion for all things real estate is enough reason to truly take steps towards a full time career in real estate?  What paths might I look into?

Any advice would be helpful!


 I'm confused. Isn't the construction industry part of the real estate industry?


 Jim,

Yes, I suppose it is.  But I am a project foreman for an electrical contractor.  I deal entirely with the installation of electrical systems on commercial projects.  So on a day to day basis, I am not involved in real estate at all.   

Post: Seeking Career Advice?

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

My current career is challenging and never boring. The pay is good, the company is great, and there are plenty of opportunities for growth. However, there’s just something that I can never shake off.

Every chance I get, I find myself talking about real estate, mortgage rates, and loan strategies. I find every excuse to analyze properties and build spreadsheets for rehabs and rentals. Every real estate transaction I’ve been involved in (we’ve bought and rehabbed a couple of long term rentals) has been so enjoyable and I always think that if I could spend every day immersed in all things real estate it would be my dream job.

That being said, I’ve spent almost a decade working hard to build my career as a leader in the construction industry. I keep waving my thoughts off and telling myself to stay the course. It almost feels irresponsible to explore something like becoming a real estate agent at the expense of something that I’ve dedicated so much time to.

I guess I’m wondering if my passion for all things real estate is enough reason to truly take steps towards a full time career in real estate?  What paths might I look into?

Any advice would be helpful!

Post: More rentals OR less debt

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Eric Gerakos:

I would reconsider your goal of owning 8 rentals. More units isn't always better. Often cashflow and profit can be better with fewer units. It's not the number of units, it's the profit from each unit and total profit that matters. 


 That’s a great point!  I only say 8 because if all properties can similarly match the current ones, they should cover all of our expenses once paid off.  If we can reach that number with fewer units, I would not feel compelled to reach that number!

Post: More rentals OR less debt

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Sam Yin:

I think one thing to consider is your personal goals. Are you trying to get more piece of mind? Retire from rental income? Build a larger foundation for future generations? A magic number to are trying to hit for self satisfaction? Etc.

If the goal is to grow your portfolio and expand your rental business, then there are other ways to do it quickly. You need to reevaluate your math, your income, your motivation, and your strategies.

If it's for primary residence piece of mind and you have a spouse that sleeps better at night with a home paid off, then that's a no brainer. A happy home will trump just about everything else, regardlessof financial gain or loss. It should always tip the scales.

Haha wow!  You hit the nail on the head.  My wife loves the idea of having the house paid off, but has an open enough mind to evaluate all decisions.  I came to the number of 8 rentals because if they can all be similar to my current 2 properties, they should support our expenses entirely once they are paid off - which we want to happen by age 50.  

So really the goal is - passive income > expenses.  

 
My initial thought when posting was lowering my expenses is the same as adding income.  However, when time is factored into it, that one lowered expense doesn’t seem to make sense.  

Post: More rentals OR less debt

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Theresa Harris:

I don't understand why you'd sell the two rentals if they are cash flowing $600/month.  How would you then be saving $800/month?  Do you mean it would lower your mortgage payments on your primary residence by $1400?  Remember you'd be losing the $600/month from rental income plus the appreciation on the rental and your tenants paying down the mortgages for the rentals.

If you want to pay down your personal mortgage faster, use the $600/month from the rentals.  But if you really want to get more rentals, you'd save that money for a down payment on another rental.

Bingo!!!!...times 1000

 Sorry, I think I may have worded it strangely.  It’s only a difference of $200/ month.  

Keep the rentals - $600/month income

Sell the rentals and apply to equity to current mortgage - lowers mortgage by almost $800/month. 

I guess after seeing it that way, it really makes no sense… 

Post: More rentals OR less debt

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

Hello!

Does it make sense to use the appreciation gained from our current rental properties to pay down our primary residence mortgage?  We currently cash flow about $600/month on 2 rental properties.  However, if we were to sell the 2 rentals and refinance our primary, we would either be saving $800/month or could pay our primary residence off in less than 10 years.  This would put me behind on our goal of 8 rental units, but would decrease our expenses and possibly allow us to grow faster with less liabilities.  Or does it make more sense to keep looking for additional rental properties every few years?  I'd really appreciate any thoughts on this!

Thanks!

Post: Trading cash flow for appreciation

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Joe Villeneuve:
Quote from @Andrew Perkins:

Hello,

I'd like to know your thoughts on 1031 exchanging a cash flowing property (purchased 3 years ago and over 1% rule) for a better property in a nicer area. The nicer area will certainly not cash flow as well with current prices, but should have greater long term appreciation. There is also the possibility of using it as a STR to generate some extra cash flow. I know it depends on your individual strategy and goals - and we are not in need of cash flow currently, but it feels so wrong to me to look at properties with a worse return. I feel sick when I run the numbers and see a decrease in cash flow and start to doubt why I am even doing it in the first place! Any advice would be much appreciated.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.  Needing CF isn't a requirement for CF.  Future equity can't be counted on, Current CF can be.  You don't need to have a lot of equity growth with a property.  You just need the CF to recover you DP (which should be as minimal as possible, since that is you total cost to buy the property), and to have the appreciated equity increase equal the equity you bought (DP)...that's when you should be selling the property anyway, because that's when you start to lose money.

I'm not sure I understand when you're suggesting to sell? We invested 25k originally, and currently have the opportunity to turn that into 60k to reinvest into something else if we sell and defer capital gains. Do you see any merit in selling to invest in something like a STR that could potentially yield more cash flow? The decrease in cash flow would only occur if we had to use it as a long term rental as a back up plan - but I keep telling myself that would only be for the short term as the area is much more desirable. Maybe foolishly?

Post: Trading cash flow for appreciation

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39
Quote from @Joshua Janus:

@Andrew Perkins Would it be possible for you to refinance and purchase a LTR with those funds? If you have a property that is already cash flowing very well, isn't a hassle and makes sense to hold onto I would keep it and get more doors. In my market, it is really difficult to cash flow positive right now as the appreciation has pushed the property prices much higher than what the rent market supports so it rarely makes sense to enter those markets unless you are in it for the long haul or somehow found a value add. 


I reached out to a couple lenders to try this and the appraisal came back at less than what I am looking for.  However, my realtor here is confident the property will sell for what I’m hoping will yield a down payment of about 60k towards a new property.  We only invested 25k originally.  

Post: Trading cash flow for appreciation

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

In my market, any of the properties that are in desirable areas are selling for amounts that don’t make sense for LTR.  For example, the home we are considering selling was bought for 95k and rents for $1025/mo.  Some of the ones we are looking at now are listed at 240k with a possible rent of $1600/mo - nowhere near a 1% rent to price ration.  In some areas, it’s still possible to get a rental close to the 1% rule, but they’re in less desirable areas. Not to mention the bidding wars in nicer areas is outrageous still.  

Post: Trading cash flow for appreciation

Andrew PerkinsPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Kansas City, KS
  • Posts 73
  • Votes 39

Hello,

I'd like to know your thoughts on 1031 exchanging a cash flowing property (purchased 3 years ago and over 1% rule) for a better property in a nicer area. The nicer area will certainly not cash flow as well with current prices, but should have greater long term appreciation. There is also the possibility of using it as a STR to generate some extra cash flow. I know it depends on your individual strategy and goals - and we are not in need of cash flow currently, but it feels so wrong to me to look at properties with a worse return. I feel sick when I run the numbers and see a decrease in cash flow and start to doubt why I am even doing it in the first place! Any advice would be much appreciated.