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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Plotner

Andrew Plotner has started 2 posts and replied 3 times.

Post: Co-op based investing

Andrew PlotnerPosted
  • Gulfport, MS
  • Posts 3
  • Votes 2

This is an interesting business model which just popped into my head while reading "Das Kapital" from Karl Marx. Influenced by talks from Richard Wolff who is an advocate of worker cooperation based businesses.   This is a 4 stage rental strategy which i plan on implementing on the house i just purchased for $50,000. $60,000 after renovations.  

some numbers, mortgage is about $270, and taxes and insurance are about $250. so $520 a month in bills. Currently living in Gulfport Mississippi. 

The strategy goes like this. People like to invest and will be willing to spend a little more money if they can get something in return. Therefore if you take the current market price for an area (this area is about $750 for the rent in the house i have) and you raise it by about 30% to make the math easy.  Thats $1000/month.  

You sign a contract with your first tenant saying that they are in a probationary period with your buisness. They agree to pay $1000/month for three years and in return for those three years, and vacating the house so that it can be rented afterward they share ownership of the property. In essence you become buisness partners. Essentially they paid $36k to own half of a $60k house. Good deal for them right since they were only planning on renting. Good deal for you too since you now only owe $24k and have not spent a dime of your own money yet and its only been 3 years. Since they are a shared owner you know they will take care of the house as well. Simply write into the contract that repairs and maintenence are on them.  You also write into the contract that this process must be repeated.

The tally so far.

You: spent 10k, owe $24k, own $30k. You could say you are -4k assets to liabilities. 

Partner: Spent $36k, own 30k. You could say they are  -6k assets to liabilities.

[really the partner only "spent" 9k since they were planning on renting at $750/month anyway. so true tally is they "spent" 9k and own 30k. ]

So you repeat the process. Lets for simplicity sake say the value of the house does not change just to keep the numbers simple. 

You sign on another probationary partner for a 3 year contract at 30% above market price guaranteeing them shared ownership of the house when they are done and the condition that they move out after three years, do maintenence while they are there etc. 

You split the $36k over those three years with your partner, you get 18k, they get 18k. and all three own 1/3 of the house.

tally so far.

You: spent 10k, owe 8k, own 20k, you are positive 12k in assets to liabilities.

1st partner: spent $36k, recouped $18k, and ownes 20k, they are positive 2k in assets to expens

[or "spent" 9k recouped 18k, and ownes 20k. really 200% ROI + 20k in assets]

2nd partner: spent $36k, ownes 20k

[really "spent" 9 k and ownes 20k in assets]

Repeat it again with a 4th owner. the three of you then get 12k a year. 

You: spent 10k, recouped 4k, own 15k, you own 15k in assets. and an ROI of 40%

1st partner: spent 36k recouped 30k, and ownes 15k, they are positive 9k in assets

[really "spent" 9k, recouped 30k and owns 15k, they are 330%ROI +15k assets]

2nd partner: spent 36k, recouped 12k and owns 15k, 

[really "spent" 9k, recouped 12k and owns 15 k, they are 130%ROI +15k assets}

3rd partner: spent 36k, owns 15k.

[really "spent 9k" owns 15k in assets.]

Finally 1 more time each gets 9k a year

You: spent 10k recouped 13k, own 12k, so 130% ROI and own 12k in assets

1st: spent 36, recouped 39k and owns 12k [ "9k" ->39k is 430% ROI +12k assets]

2nd: spent 36k, recouped 21k, owns 12k [ "9k" -> 21k is 230% ROI + 12k assets]

3rd: spent 36k, recouped 9k owns 12 k ["9k" -> 9k is 100% ROI + 12k assets]

4th: spent 36k, owns 12k [ "9k" owns 12k assets]

You could maybe do this one more times before the process became detrimental "spent" to asset gained for the new renter. but lets say you stop here with 4 partners. and just decide to rent the house out for the $750/month. Here you would all pitch in a bit for fixing up costs, but with $500 split between 5 of you you would be pulling in $100/month. or an extra $1,200 a year. (4th partners ROI is 13.5%)

Admittedly your partners pull out better than you in this example, by my calculations you should be able to do 50% more instead of 30% and come out ahead of the partners. But even with these numbers what are the benefits.

1. you are spreading the risk. With more owners there is less risk on you, also with owner occupants you run a far lower risk of them treating the property in a destructive way.

2. you are not only helping yourself create passive income but you are also helping others generate it as well.

3. You are quickly paying off your mortgage in less than 10 years without using any of your own money. and profiting in 12 years with positive overall ROI.

4. You now have partners whom you can pool resources together with to invest in more properties. 

Contrast this method of 12 years before debt free profitability with the buy hold and rent method.

Purchase 50k, fix up 10k. rent 750 spending 520/month. surplus of 230 each month. in 12 years you make roughly 33k. You are still 17k in debt with 10k waiting for its return on investment. 

 Meanwhile this method has produced 4 individuals who have a positive return on investment, and one individual who will be positive in 8 years after their initial investment. 

Let me know what you think of this method. I am actually extremely eager to try it out but need to wait until i move out of this place first. 

Ah, details are that I am currently 26, making around 42,000 a year. From experience I know that I have the ability to save up roughly 70% of my income and put that away As that is what I have done this past year. That should be enough for a straight down payment on a mortgage each year so long as the bank is willing to lend to me.

Currently looking at multifamily units as the 11 places I went and visited this past weekend were not going to provide me with any cash flow or if they were it would be an extremely small ROI (2%) for the amount of fix up money I would have to fork over.

Current Top 3 deals I am looking at (calculating expenses at 35% rent and adding actual insurance and tax information) is a Duplex for 80k that would return 200-250/ month, a quad at 160k returning 350-400/month, and another Duplex slightly nicer area than first for 90k producing 200-250/ month. None of which get me to the 5000 target.

So backstory, I'm in the military and have about 6 more months on station. Don't know if I will be going overseas or not and want to get into real estate. So Jumping in. Have lots of properties lined up to go visit with my real estate agent and gave him the following list to help me find a profitable property.

"

Goals: I want to utilize real estate to gradually grow passive income.

Long Term: By the time I am 46 I would like to be generating $10,000 a month (inflation adjusted) and utilize that money to live on so I can do a job that does not feel like work.

Short Term: Each year I would like to compound my profit. Starting with ~$5000 profit the first year in cash flow, and grow that by a minimum of 15% each year with a target of 20% each year.

Strategy: Buy and hold strategy. Buy Single family (SFH), small multifamily properties (MFP)or a mobile home park (MHP) and generate profit through those. I will not be in the area so a management company with a fee of probably 10% is to be expected.If mortgage for 85k is 400 a month then another 800 for management, insurance, taxes, maintenance, etc (determined using 50% rule). then that's 1200 a month, rent would have to be 1600/month to justify a 4800 profit. Having a multifamily property makes the strategy a bit easier since rents for each can be 800 and still generate the 4800 profit cash flow (assuming a 2 units).

Time Frame: I’d like to buy at least one new property every year on average over a 15 year time span starting slow: 2 in the first 5 years, 5 in the first 10 years, then 15 in 15 years.

Market: Mostly hands off, this includes properties which I can utilize 3rd parties to manage/ fix/ etc or I can easily manage myself from a long distance.Mobile home parks with no park owned homes would be an easily managed by self, whereas small multifamily homes are good for management companies. The SFH seems risky but if the deal is right it can work.

Criteria which must be met:

Cash Flow: 5.5% cap rate MINIMUM for SFH or MFP and 10% MINIMUM for MHP.

Max Purchase Amount: 85k (With closing costs factored in) for a Single Family home

200k (with closing costs factored in) for MFH or MHP

Max Rehab Amount: 6% of purchase price.

Max time frame: 6 months until deal closed.

Flexibility: None given my short amount of time left here, If no deals are found here in the gulf-coast then once PCS'd the VA loan will be used to purchase a multi-unit property at the new location if in continental united states and I will live in it while renting out remaining units. If I move overseas then I will continue to utilize mobilehomeparkstore.com looking for a promising deal.

Exit Strategy: Rent to Own is a good exit strategy for single family homes, or if the market suddenly booms and I can make a 20-30% profit on the house that is also a good time to sell. So should the property I have purchased reach 100k then I begin a rent to own, if it reaches 110k then I start looking to sell out right and use the profits made in a 1031-exchange to buy a new deal. "

Does anyone have any advice or tips and tricks to look out for while going through the properties. Things to look out for etc. Your knowledge and wisdom is much appreciated.