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All Forum Posts by: Andrew Lopez

Andrew Lopez has started 2 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Down payment used for BRRRR strategy?

Andrew LopezPosted
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So I’m actually interested in both renting and flipping. Buying to rent would be better for my current financial situation however. I know flipping I’ll need more cash on hand and more time. I already have the tools and knowledge to fix up a property. Just don’t have the extra cash and time currently. 

I don’t know any real estate investors in my area. I actually don’t know any real estate investors in general. I also don’t know any lenders. I’m not really sure how to go about finding investors in my area or a group/team to work with. I’m hoping I’ll either get a tip on what direction to look into or possibly even get connected with an investor. 

Do you think it’s easier to start off with turnkey properties? I could see it being easier because you focus on the investment side and the buying/selling side of things rather than having to do all that and simultaneously either fix the place up or manage the rehab. I’ve always been more drawn to properties in need of rehab because they can be had for cheaper and I enjoy turning them Into something new and nice. But that being said I can definitely see them being a lot more of a headache to starting out. 

Hey everyone! My name is Andrew and I’m located in the Valparaiso, IN (Northwest Indiana) area. I have been very interested for years now in real estate. Particularly buying properties to rent out for additional cash flow but also flipping properties. I just recently bought my first house so cash is kind of tight but I want to add sources of cash flow more than ever now that I have a mortgage. What is the best strategy to use? Are there better properties to look into for instance an apartment over a house? What are the best ways to finance said property? Are there very loans I would have to use? Do I have to have a down payment and if so how much? With it being purchased as a property specifically for renting and or flipping would my income come into question on the financing side of things? Thank you for reading and for answering my questions!

Post: Down payment used for BRRRR strategy?

Andrew LopezPosted
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Quote from @Simon Ashbaugh:

Hey Andrew, conventional loans offer lower interest rates but they require 20% down payment. This creates more immediate equity but it might limit your initial investment options. On the other hand, hard money lenders can be more flexible with down payments and its about 10-15%, this frees up your capital for renovations. You'll need a clear exit strategy to refinance or sell the property before the loan term ends to avoid penalties. You should also expect significantly higher interest rates with them. Hope this helps!

Thank you very much for the information!

Post: Down payment used for BRRRR strategy?

Andrew LopezPosted
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Quote from @Matthew Crivelli:
Quote from @Andrew Lopez:

Hi everyone my name is Andrew. I live in Northwest Indiana and am currently trying to get into real estate investing. I have been reading the BRRRR strategy by David Greene and while reading about when you refinance to recover your original invested capital I was thinking about the down payment. So when you buy a property do you use a conventional loan or something else? How big of a down payment is used if any? And then once you refinance to recover your capital what type of loan do you refinance under? How much of a down payment is put down? Obviously down payment size effects equity, how much you'll profit each month if the property is kept, how much you are able to pull out with a refinance etc.

You should be looking into a hard money loan for the initial purchase & a 30Y DSCR loan for the refi. You should expect to being 20%-25% down for the initial purchase if you are a fist time investor. 

Buy the property for 100k
Put 50k in rehab 
The hard money loan you took is for 130k (80% of purchase + the rehab)
Property is now worth 250k 

Cash out Refi with a 30Y fixed DSCR 
70% LTV (of the 250k) - Loan amount is now 175k
You just paid of the 130k hard money loan used to fix up the property and you pulled out your 20k initial investment + 25k extra cash

This is a perfect world scenario. In many cases the numbers are much tighter and you can't pull out nearly as much cash on the refi. 

What exactly is a hard money loan and how is it acquired?





Post: Down payment used for BRRRR strategy?

Andrew LopezPosted
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Quote from @Dan Thomas:
Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Andrew Lopez, in MANY cases for the numbers on a BRRRR deal to work out the property needs to be very distressed and often not eligible for a traditional loan for the initial purchase. So, in a cheaper market many investors use their own cash for purchase and rehab or especially in more expensive markets they use hard money loans which are based on the deal itself and your ability to execute on it.

The refi loan type is based in part on how you hold the property (in your own name, an LLC, etc) but in general you can expect to refinance out about 75% of the ARV (After Repair Value).

So, if you buy a property in a cheap market for $30k cash and invest $30k cash to rehab it and then it appraises for $80k after rehab you can refinance out your entire $60k investment and hopefully have a good cash-flowing rental. 


Kevin gave you some great advice. The only times I have done BRRR deals they were un intentional. As Kevin mentioned I had to buy with cash as they wouldn't qualify for conventional financing, I fixed those problems and was able to put a mortgage on the property.

  Another option is private money / hard money.  It will be really tough to get 100% of the cash needed on your first deal, unless it is a family member or friend.  If you have a track record of success this may be alittle easier moving forward but lenders like to see your money in the deal, and the more of it the happier they are. I would suggest you save up as much as you can while you are doing your homework to be able to bring to the table when you find a deal that you want.  For your first deal I would reccomend having about 50% in cash or liquid assets.  Altough you may only "need" 20-30% down having reserves will go along way with a potential lender.


Thank you very much! In your opinion what would be the best strategy to get into either flipping or renting? Seems like the BRRRR strategy isn't necessarily the best/easiest

Post: Down payment used for BRRRR strategy?

Andrew LopezPosted
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Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

@Andrew Lopez, in MANY cases for the numbers on a BRRRR deal to work out the property needs to be very distressed and often not eligible for a traditional loan for the initial purchase. So, in a cheaper market many investors use their own cash for purchase and rehab or especially in more expensive markets they use hard money loans which are based on the deal itself and your ability to execute on it.

The refi loan type is based in part on how you hold the property (in your own name, an LLC, etc) but in general you can expect to refinance out about 75% of the ARV (After Repair Value).

So, if you buy a property in a cheap market for $30k cash and invest $30k cash to rehab it and then it appraises for $80k after rehab you can refinance out your entire $60k investment and hopefully have a good cash-flowing rental. 

Thank you very much for the reply and for the great information! 

Post: Down payment used for BRRRR strategy?

Andrew LopezPosted
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Hi everyone my name is Andrew. I live in Northwest Indiana and am currently trying to get into real estate investing. I have been reading the BRRRR strategy by David Greene and while reading about when you refinance to recover your original invested capital I was thinking about the down payment. So when you buy a property do you use a conventional loan or something else? How big of a down payment is used if any? And then once you refinance to recover your capital what type of loan do you refinance under? How much of a down payment is put down? Obviously down payment size effects equity, how much you'll profit each month if the property is kept, how much you are able to pull out with a refinance etc.