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All Forum Posts by: Andreas Fischer

Andreas Fischer has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Going for Riga now... May be later the year Talinn as well. Will keep you posted.

Mike, I think I need to clarify something here.

I am asking a question here if people have experiences investing in those countries because I want to have an exchange with them and know their experience and you send tons of questions back. If I would know everything, I would not write in this forum, so that's why I am asking! And be sure that I can do the math before investing somewhere, and I know the difference between gross and net yields :-) 

This being said, I appreciate that you engage in this topic, obviously few people here have experience with those countries or at least should they have, seems they don't want to share. 

I also appreciate your opinion on the ranking between Talinn, Riga and Vilnius. Thank you

Hi,

So I made my research on the markets, where I expect still reasonable prices in capital cities with stable and growing economies in Europe. My top choices in Europe are the Baltic countries and Poland , but in Poland, it is currently difficult with financing. I want to finance about 60 to 70%. Thats why i am looking at Baltic countries, and according to my first research, financing should be available at 2 to 2.5% interest rates.

I expect rental yields not so great (5 to 7%),  but I see prospects in sqm prices and I want to diversify my portfolio and always like apartments in attractive (capital) cities, especially in the old towns.

I wanted to talk to people about their experiences before I get deeper into research for a particular place. You need to fly their anyway if you really want to get experience and dig deeper, but I hope to get ideas for my pre-selection here.

So, to come back to your questions. First of all, I am only taking about apartments here, not about other real estate, especially not hotels, where I have no experience.

1. Type of apartment: There are basically two types of apartments one can consider buying in Tbilisi. 

a) New Apartment: First is a new apartment, where you have to carefully consider the building quality as you mentioned. I believe depending on the builder, you can rely on the quality more or less.

b) Old Apartment: You can (and should!) buy old apartments. With old apartments, I am talking about an historic apartment in the old town of Tbilisi, ideally that is a national monument. You can check the monument status easily in the land register excerpt. Many of the old apartments in the old town have monument status. It comes with advantages and disadavantages. Advantage is that the government will take care of it, and, according to my information i verified with plenty sources, you will not be asked to contribute to the renovation costs. But your apartment will shoot up in value after the apartment has been renovated. There is a big governmental renovation plan in place for the old town, also against the background of the hope that the old town may become UNESCO world heritage. You can check in public registers the estimated point in time when your building is scheduled for renovation. Prices for old apartments and new apartments are comparable, but the chance for price increases in value is much more on the old apartments. 

Disadvantage of the old apartments is that they have often defect and stability issues, but again, therefore, it is so important to buy a national monument protected building. I had my apartment reviewed by a building engineer before purchasing the property. Such buildings are protected by the government and should building issues occur, government gives priority to such apartments and will not allow those to fall apart. Further disadvantage is that you need approval for many measures, like changing windows, putting air con, etc. Many people, expecially locals, do it anyway, and rarely something happens. But especially as a foreigner I would adhere to the rules.

2. Investment Strategy

You are correct that the local population should not be your target group due to lack of financial resources. Target group should be tourists via AirBNB rental or westerners who want a top historic apartment in the old city to experience the true Tbilisi style for mid term rents (like 1 year or so as posted employees).

If you rent via AirBNB, there is an agency, we host ge. https://www.wehost.ge/en/home/

They will rent your apartment for 25% fee, which is very reasonable, considering this includes advertisement of apartment, cleaning, 24/7 availability for tenants, etc. I know the guys and they are good and honest people.

You need to know that there are approx. 25 to 30k apartments for AirBNB in Tbilisi. So there is a huge supply, every one wants to get part of the cake of the increasing touristic destination Tbilisi. So you need a top apartment in a good location. According to Wehost guys, despite crisis, they have currently a 70% occupancy of their apartments despite lock down, which is unbelievable. Its mainly local tourists and foreignis stuck in Tbilisi. However, prices are obviously very low. For my apartment, top location, top building, I would currently not get more than 25 to 30 USD/day.

My original plan was to go in the apartment over christmas/NY, and start renting next season, season goes from March/April to October, July and August are the top months. For my apartment, I could expect up to 100 USD/day in the top months, approx. 3k/months, and something between 1 and 2k in the other months, subject always to 25% fee for Wehost.

As now, there is uncertainty about the lock down and whether tourist season 2021 will kick-off or not, I decided to rent out "mid-term", rented to a French lady working for the EU and I got a top price, 700 EUR/months. This is extraordinary, most apartments of the size of mine go for less than half of this at the moment. But its all about flair and location, location. I think I was lucky also, however, her condition was that she can stay at least one year. So I agreed, with the disadvantage I cannot come into my own apartment this summer :-( 

By the way, there is a 5% tax on rental income in Georgia. People tell me almost no one is paying it, but I will. Most countries have double taxation treaties with Georgia, and so does my country of residence have. There will be a small additional tax in my home country then. 

My apartment:

Some key figures about my apartment:

Size. 80 sqm

Location: Very central, 150m from Marjanishvili Metro

Apartment: Beautiful old apartment, monument protected, floor 2/2, ceiling 4.70 high, 2 bedrooms

Purchase price 105 USD, including all furnishings and equipment as seen on the pictures, no side costs (no notary fee, no RETT, nothing, no brokers fee (pays the seller), but I paid something to my friend and the broker who helped me to find the apartment. Was completely voluntarily and out of gratitude. And I paid a lawyer (500 USD only).

But I admit the apartment was an excellent price, I would say if the tourists come back after Covid, I could sell it as is for 130k directly (original asking price was 140k USD). I went there during covid when only Germans and French citizens could go there without quarantine and had a seller who needed to sell urgently.

I attach some pictures:

Prospects: 

In my opinion excellent, Prices are low, country is relatively stable and tourism is increasing in huge % rates every year (with an obvious drop due to Corona now, thats why apartment prices went also down and one should buy now!). If Georgia getting closer to EU and Nato, which they want, prices could go up significantly. Plus my apartment is scheduled for renovation according to national plan in 2024. After that, price will increase 50% until double directly based on previous experiences.

It will never be a problem to sell a good apartment in Tbilisi, but your buyers will be foreigners always.

Rent yields: Looking at 8 to 13 % annum, currently, I make around 8.5% after all costs now with this long term rent for one year.  

The risks:

Earthquakes (insurance does not cover that risk)

Political risk (Russia); my opinion, yes, it is a moderate risk, but even lets say Russia should invade Georgia (which I do not consider a likely scenario), would not necessarily mean that your apartments will be taken from you.

I personally consider the political risk of western left wing socialism governments dictating you prices and super friendly tenant laws and increasing property taxes and taxing the "bad rich capitalist people" much higher than this risk! I have several apartments in the leading country in Europe, and I will not invest more and even consider devesting in favor of other countries.

Fee pictures attached. 

The country is beautiful, super cheap, super digitalized, investors friendly, considered among the top 5 safest countries in the world!

Sorry, proper response will follow shortly tonight my time when I have sufficient time.

Have you ever thought of Tbilisi (Georgia)? No. 1  destination for digitial nomads, houses are purchased in USD, super low costs of living,  very safe country, open to foreign investors, high degree of digitalization and you get super deals there at the moment. And its a great and vibrant city with a great international community too. I love the place, just bought a lovely apartment there this August in the midst of the crisis. 

Hi there, 

I am looking to invest in an apartment in either Vilnius, Kaunas (Lithuania), Riga (Latvia) or Talinn (Estonia). After initial research, I believe the Baltic countries still offer good growth perspectives, although it would have been much better five years ago (that´s always better, but I did not have the mindset and the money five years ago). Does anyone have experience buying apartments as a foreigner in any of those cities? Would appreciate your insights very much.

In exchange, I can offer in-depth insights and great contacts for investing in Tbilisi, which is for me one of the top places to invest at the moment (just bought something there during the crisis).

Best, Andreas