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All Forum Posts by: Ana Gomez

Ana Gomez has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: 250k in cash but trouble finding lenders

Ana GomezPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Miami
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Ben Leybovich:

In other words, lenders are counting the expenses associated with the townhouse in their DTI but not the income it will generate. Couple of thoughts:

1. The expenses on the townhouse are only $1700/month. If this is enough to blow their DTI then what the lenders are thinking is that your parents simply don't have enough income to be playing in the real estate game at their age. I would tend to agree. It may not be a bad idea to buy more real estate, but they need to somehow limit their exposure to risk because they don't have enough income to shield them.

2. I am not sure $300/month warrants the strategy in the first place. In other words, your parents are posing the following question - how can we best grow the $250,000 that we have? And their answer is to use it as a downpayment on a bigger house and move into it, and collect $300/month on the townhouse. Regardless of the location. age, or condition of the townhouse, I am not sure this strategy makes much sense. I have to believe there are other ways to multiply the $250,000 in a more diversified manner with a lower risk profile.

3. If they really want to press the issue, they need to rent the townhouse and possibly season it for some time so that the lender are comfortable using the rental income in the DTI. Clearly, they need a place to live. Once you find out exactly how these numbers need to work from a lender you trust, one option would be to rent their townhome and rent them a temporary dwelling.

Ultimately, though, if the idea is to grow $250,000, I am sure there are better ways. Good luck!

1) Yes, that's the case.

2) I think that at the heart of the issue was that they weren't asking that question at all. Rather, they were thinking on using that money to have a better working space for my dad. I've talked with him about the reality that he's aging and he might not be able to continue doing what he does until he dies, and he agrees that the priority should be to try and grow those 250k so that it can eventually provide enough income in case he can't work anymore. So instead they'll look for properties to BRRRR.

3) Yes, this is an option they considered but since the goal has now changed they won't need to do this anymore.

Post: 250k in cash but trouble finding lenders

Ana GomezPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Miami
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Daniel Hennek:

Simple solution.  Get a lease in place.

Problem is my dad restores auto parts at home. If he worked outside of the home, it would be a simple matter of moving in with me for a couple months to rent their place then look for a new place. That's just not feasible with his work. They need the new house first or else they risk being without income.

The only way I see this working is if we did a fake lease, and we don't want to go there.

Post: 250k in cash but trouble finding lenders

Ana GomezPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Miami
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Brian Kantor:

@Paul Defngin asks a good question. If they are of the legal retirement age, a bank should be able loan based on their net-worth instead of their income. Other options to consider would be:

  • A DSCR loan (worse terms than a standard mortgage, but way better than hard money)
  • A HELOC or refinance on their town house, and put that money towards the new property buying it outright in cash. A HELOC typically has great rates and buying the new property in cash could bring down your cost.
  • A loan against a whole life policy, if they have one
  • A loan against their stock portfolio, if they have one (must be in a broker-managed account, similar rates and structure to a HELOC)

With that said, it's worth asking if they are planning to self-manage or hire a property manager. I point that out, because you said the expenses on the town house are $1700 and the rent would be $2000. That doesn't leave a ton of room if there are other expenses you havent considered. And if a property manager isnt budgeted for, and they hate self-managing, that could be an issue.

  • I am in conversations with some lenders and some of them have offered a DSCR loan. Problem is, most of them are non-owner occupied. Since my parents will move into the new property and rent the old one, not many lenders want to deal with that for some reason.
  • Their equity in their current home is not enough to significantly boost the cash they already have. They are trying to buy a house in cash outright, but are having trouble competing. Florida is hot right now.
  • No whole life policy.
  • No stock portfolio.
  • They're planning to self manage.

Post: 250k in cash but trouble finding lenders

Ana GomezPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Miami
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Paul Defngin:

are your parents at retirement age or working? 

Post: 250k in cash but trouble finding lenders

Ana GomezPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Miami
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1
Originally posted by @Sherry Patterson:

Hi there! Where are your parents located? What kind of loan is their townhouse in? Do they have equity in it? Do they have other debt they could pay off to make their DTI lower?

Hello! They're in Broward county, Florida. The only thing they have in terms of debt is their mortgage, all other debts are paid off. They owe 171k on the townhouse, which is valued at 245k last year, so that's about 30% equity I think.

Post: 250k in cash but trouble finding lenders

Ana GomezPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Miami
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 1

Hello! My parents currently have 250k in cash and they would like to buy a SFH putting 50% down. They own a town house with a mortgage which they do not want to sell because it would rent for about 2k and the expenses are about 1.7k, so it would cashflow 300 or so.

They're having difficulties with conventional lenders (I have tried both banks and credit unions) because they don't take into account how much their current house would rent for without a lease and a tenant, and with their current income they can support one mortgage, but not two. I tried contacting private lenders listed in the Loans page. LendingOne only works with investors who have at least two properties. Aloha Capital and Civic have not replied. Maybe at this point a hard money lender makes sense? Or pay cash then do a cash-out refinance?

Thank you for your help! I'm new to real estate and everything is so overwhelming.