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All Forum Posts by: Amy L. Pagels

Amy L. Pagels has started 4 posts and replied 19 times.

Post: Managing timing of furnishing shipments for out of state STR

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Hey BP community! We are clear to close on our first STR in Gainesville, FL with a closing date of 12/13. We have agreed to rent back to the sellers for a week and will be able to take possession on 12/19. We are out-of-state investors and I've started to purchase furniture for this 3 bed/2 bath SFH. Has anyone had to manage where the furnishing shipments go before you can officially move in?  I'm flying in for a week from the 18th-23rd to get this fully furnished and listed on Airbnb before the end of the year.  Timing is critical to ensure we have everything we need to stage the house as soon as the painters complete work on the 20th.  Our plan is to manage this property remotely so we don't have a property manager to rely on.  Any suggestions or learnings?  I appreciate any help you can provide!

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Bonnie Griffin Kaake:

 @Bonnie Griffin Kaake - I noticed on your website that you focus on commercial properties. We are purchasing a SFH. Does that still fall into something you would be interested in? Thanks!

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Michael Baum:

On the material participation, it doesn't mean just management. Here are the rules around material participation. If you just talk to guests, alter calendars etc, you might not meet the requirements.

https://www.irs.com/en/article...

@Michael Baum - Thank you for sharing that article and appreciate the guidance.  I plan to qualify under the 7th rule listed - Based on all of the facts and circumstances, you participate in the activity on a regular, continuous, and substantial basis during that year. Note that this test only applies if you work at least 100 hours in the activity, no one else works more hours than you in the activity, and no one else receives compensation for managing the activity. I've been tracking time and since I've done all the market research, house search exploration, etc. and we plan to self-manage our STR, hopefully we will be able to qualify. I'm going to meet with our CPA to see what types of documents we need to provide to prove hours worked.


Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Jon Martin:
Quote from @Michael Baum:

On the material participation, it doesn't mean just management. Here are the rules around material participation. If you just talk to guests, alter calendars etc, you might not meet the requirements.

https://www.irs.com/en/article...

This is the rude awakening I had this week talking with CPAs. Seems very tough to offset W2 income if you are not a RE professional and are above the income threshold (which you probably are if you are an investor). 

 @Jon Martin - This chain has sparked me to connect with my CPA on Monday to go into this in more detail. I'm hoping there is a way to offset our W2s simply by showing material participation w/ our STR but want to also avoid any trouble with the IRS

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Sean Bramble:

Pretty sure this is the last year you can claim 100% accelerated depreciation ... if you can do a cost segregation before eoy you'll be in good shape. I think the maximum deduction next year is only 75%. Could be other tax considerations though, so consult your CPA


 Sean is correct but with two small clarification,  you need to buy in 2022 but you can do the cost segregation anytime before you file your taxes for 2022 and the bonus depreciation is 80% in 2023,60% in 2024, 40% in 2025, and 20% in 2026

 

Thanks for the clarification @Terry Rossi!  The seller ended up accepting our offer so we will be closing on the home in December and then renting back to them for a week.  We won't have it ready to go up on Airbnb before the end of the year but I'm hoping with that rent back, we can qualify for the 2022 100% cost segregation.

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Michael Baum:

On the material participation, it doesn't mean just management. Here are the rules around material participation. If you just talk to guests, alter calendars etc, you might not meet the requirements.

https://www.irs.com/en/article...

@Michael Baum - I appreciate you sharing the link! Although we are out of state, we are planning to self manage our STR but will need to hire out for cleaning/handyman services. Since this is going to be one of several properties we plan to purchase, I anticipate the management, research, and education should keep us above on hours. I've been keeping a log to reach hours and it's amazing to see how quickly time adds up! Even with my W2!

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Bonnie Griffin Kaake:

@Amy L. Pagels  You have some options. 

1. You might want to consider closing in 2022. 

2. Creative strategy: See if you can get the owners to close earlier and allow them to stay in the property with an agreement that they will pay you something for being able to stay through 12/17/22. That will allow you to claim occupancy in 2022. 

3. You can list the property on Airbnb with a target date before the end of December or in 2023. The creative strategy in #2 will allow you to claim occupancy for 2022 and get the 100% bonus available for 2022. In 2023 the bonus drops to 80% and the remaining 20% will be accelerated over 5, 7 or 15 years depending on what the balance qualifies for. And, you never know who just might want an Airbnb place to stay at your property over the holidays. 

4. If you are going to actively participate in the management of the property, it will be considered an active investment with "material participation". This makes the STR a business like a hotel and can be used against your W2 income. Of course, it is best if the property is located in your same state and best if in your same city. It is hard to claim you are actively managing a STR property if you are living in a different state.

Hope that helps. If you need more information, let me know. 

 @Bonnie Griffin Kaake - This is exactly the kind of guidance that I was looking for!  Do you work with clients outside of Denver?  If so, I would be interested in chatting with you further.  Thanks much!

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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Quote from @Sean Bramble:

Pretty sure this is the last year you can claim 100% accelerated depreciation ... if you can do a cost segregation before eoy you'll be in good shape. I think the maximum deduction next year is only 75%. Could be other tax considerations though, so consult your CPA

 @Sean Bramble - Thank you for the response!  I didn't realize this was the last year to claim 100% depreciation so I will look into that with our CPA.

Post: Tax benefits for newbies - wait to close on STR until 2023?

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We are new investors and looking to put an offer down on our first property in the next week as a STR. My question is for tax purposes, are we hurting ourselves in terms of the qualification of materially participating and maximizing tax deductions on our W2s by purchasing so late in the year? With the holidays coming up and a current owner that doesn't want to leave until 12/17, we will likely NOT be set up on Airbnb w/ guests in 2022. Should we wait until 2023 to close on the house or are there still tax benefits to closing in 2022? Thanks in advance!