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All Forum Posts by: Amy A.

Amy A. has started 1 posts and replied 8 times.

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0

Here is an update. Bit of a long story because I have to explain a bit more than I did in the initial message (clearly there is a lot more to this story, but hopefully the cliff notes version will suffice).

Here are the code violations: exterior paint (it's a brick house, so only talking trim here, and yes it definitely needs it), repair downspout (round gutter hole has rectangular downspout in it), repair spalling or bulging concrete on walkway, driveway, steps. There were two interior violations that have already been fixed-no smoke detectors in vacant unit (because it was being painted), and no handrail on stairs (apparently there had never been one there).

The neighbor feels that the downspout in question (with the code violation for needing repair) drains into an underground pipe that is broken (apparently he invited someone onto the property at some point and they used dye packets and his own hose to confirm his suspicion-I tried to called the sewer folks but they didn't feel this is something they would have done), and the water drains through his retaining wall, which he feels is damaging it. 

The building inspector is aware of this belief but the violation doesn't state anything about the underground pipe-I think underground might be outside of the scope of his work? Regardless, I think he's on my side and is trying to help broker the peace.

Per a conversation with the building inspector, re-routing the downspout into another drain and capping off the driveway drain will be a suitable fix. The neighbor's biggest obsession seems to be the retaining wall, which he owns per a complaint he tried to make in 2015 that I saw in the code enforcement website, he had a survey done and the findings were that he owns the wall.

The building inspector called me on Monday 7/31 and said he'd give me more time for the other violations if I re-route that downspout as my next project-stated-they've been getting a lot of contact from my neighbor and he's trying to help me avoid litigation. I agreed to work on it this weekend, 8/5.

Also on Monday 7/31, I spoke with the health department lead abatement folks and they were generally unconcerned about the paint situation, which made me feel a lot better.

Last weekend, I spent all day (7/29-7/30) Saturday and Sunday working on the property. The neighbor sat outside and literally watched me (with dagger eyes) paint for 6 hours on Saturday, and didn't say a word to me...but when I went inside to grab some water, he took pictures of the person helping me paint, stating that he, 'needs the photos for court.' He was back inside his house by the time I got back outside.

Later that night, I made the decision to sell the house, because the harassment simply isn't worth the money.  I contacted my real estate agent and he says I'll have no problem selling once the code violation repairs are done.

Sunday night, I was at my home and was sticking an envelope in my mailbox to send out, and discovered one of those papers that says the USPS tried to deliver certified mail to me sometime between 7/25-7/28 and I hadn't noticed the little slip.

Assuming the note from USPS was a legal notice, I contacted an attorney, then went to pick up the letter on Tuesday 8/1...turns out it was a handwritten letter from the neighbor, complaining that I hadn't fixed the downspout concerns yet, and grumbling that it'll probably cost him more to file suit than it will to fix the violation.

So I guess he was watching me paint but seething because I wasn't fixing the downspout issue that day/he assumed I had gotten his certified mail...? 

Communication skills are so critical. His primary focus, the retaining wall, got lost in all of his other complaints, and I couldn't tell that it was the most important thing to him. Obviously I could have fixed that specific thing first (it's cheaper to re-route the downspout and cap the drain than it is to confirm that the underground pipe is actually broken, and based on the verbiage in his letter, he appears to feel the re-route is an acceptable resolution to his concerns).

I met with an attorney friend, and he feels that the neighbor's behavior is harassment, and that now is the time to send a letter from an attorney telling him to knock it off. I have zero interest in litigation, so I'm hopeful that he will stop, I'll be able to finish fixing up the house, and sell it without further issue. I truly do not believe he is capable of 'letting it go,' so I feel that selling the house is the best way to get out of the situation without litigation.

I can give more context if the above descriptions don't make sense.

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0

Came home to find a notification in my mailbox indicating that the neighbor tried to send me something via certified mail (I wasn't home to get it). Sadly, my gut is telling me that this is turning into a legal battle.

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0
Originally posted by :

@Amy A.  maybe the neighbor does not want tenants after living next to a vacant lot or maybe he wants the building either way best just to deal with what the city inspectors cited the home for and ignore the neighbor as others suggested.  The City should be inspecting and citing at one go and not saying multiple things over time. If that is the case then I would have a talk with the supervisor and ask why aren't all issues being stated at one point in time.  If it is the inspector not doing their job that is another story. After a while the inspectors will tell the neighbor to zip it. 

I think there are two different city departments involved.  Property code enforcement, and the Health Department for the lead poisoning prevention program.  Although I am now curious if the property code inspector is who brought the lead paint issue to the attention of the Health Department-the work is partially completed, and the  property was in a different state than when he initially issued the code violations.  So it's possible that it wasn't the crazy neighbor.  I got a business card for the person who dropped by and left her a voicemail today. Stay tuned! 

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0

thanks for your input.  Yes, the repairs are up to code to the best of my knowledge.  I'll be having the inspector sign off on the violation being addressed, so I think they have to be up to code. 

I'm thinking it might end up being a flip. I'm hopeful that things will calm down, but am keeping my options open in case they don't.

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0

We've had numerous discussions, starting prior to my purchasing the property. He was trying to warn potential buyers that unpermitted work had been done in the house. I should have seen that as the red flag that it was, but I didn't realize how much of a pain the guy would be.

I'm at the property frequently, doing work, and up until the last two weeks, he's confronted me about the work he wants done, every time I've been there. Generally, the conversation feels like if it's not one thing, it's another. 

The house has been dilapidated for quite some time from what I can tell, and was apparently even vacant for a while.  It needs work, which is why the price point was so attractive.  I know he's seen me doing work...when I was painting on the side where his house is, he made sure to tell me how beautiful the paint was looking.

I also made sure that he saw that the property code inspector was visiting last week-the inspector gave me some advice on how to fix one of the violations, and afterwards he went and spoke with the neighbor.  I got the impression that the inspector is on my side, and that he feels I'm making reasonable progress within the time that has elapsed.

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0

I'm trying to figure out his motivation for being so terrible, and I do wonder if it's because he would have liked to have bought the place himself but couldn't afford it or something like that.  I think I'm going to have to ask him what his problem is, maybe point out that I've only owned the house for 10 weeks, point out that I'm continually over there working on it and need his patience instead of him making trouble. 

I'm working hard to get the issued addressed. Met inspector for a walk through on June 12, and he re-isssued existing violations I didn't know the house had.  I fixed several items and had him out again mid July, which took care of 2 of 5 violations. 

One of the violations is that exterior paint is needed on trim. I scraped the paint prior to painting (I'm doing the work myself on nights and weekends), and that is what gave him new ammo for the lead paint complaint.  I'm just worried that whatever I do, I will always need to be watching my back for him throwing knives, so to speak.

Post: How to handle nightmare neighbor

Amy A.Posted
  • Cincinnati, OH
  • Posts 8
  • Votes 0

Bought a multi-family in May and the neighbor is a nut job.Has an endless list of complaints, some valid and some not.He called the property code inspector two weeks after closing, and I have a laundry list of repairs that I now need to (financially) prioritize over renovating and renting out the interior.The violations are about half resolved…then today my tenant notified me that city lead abatement folks were at the property.

I feel like every time I turn around he’s going to be calling in trying to get the property cited, and I can’t let my guard down. It’s only been 2 months.

I can’t figure out what is motivating the guy to behave in this manner.He’s started avoiding me (which is fine, because I’m anti-confrontational and I'm quite angry right now), but I think we probably need to sit down and have a chat to get this to stop.The property code inspector actually recommended that I seek out a mediator to help deal with the guy because he's been repeatedly calling him about the violations.

Would you cut bait and run?I think I can have the repairs completed in the next 4 months, and could list the property for sale after the new year.Or would you get the issues resolved and then cross your fingers that he knocks it off?  I'm worried I won't be able to attract and retain quality tenants.

How would you handle this?  This is my second multi-family and is the first time I've had this kind of drama.  

I'm struggling with this as well and would love some advice!