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All Forum Posts by: Amber Cerone

Amber Cerone has started 3 posts and replied 10 times.

Post: Foreclosures, or no?

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Quote from @Chris Merchant:

The quick numbers look good, I would check to ensure there are no other liens on the property.  This has already gone into foreclosure or is it still in pre-foreclosure?  If you can get the funding and everything checks out I think it is a no brainer to make a deal for the $270k JMO


 Thanks, Chris! It is in foreclosure. I will do a lien search!

Post: Foreclosures, or no?

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I'm still learning alot! Are foreclosures a worthy strategy, or is it too late at that point? I know we want to target pre-foreclosure, and I've heard that foreclosures can take a long time to get through the process. I found one in my area:

Asking $270k, Repairs $150k, ARV $675k

I would welcome any advice in this area, anyone who has experience and why yes or no. thank you!

Post: DSCR Loan Experience

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Quote from @John Morgan:

@Pete Johnson

I did 3 DSCR loans last year and they worked out great. And one was a bridge loan for a rehab then refinanced it 3 months later into a 30 year fixed with them. They all worked out great and they only asked me for my last 3 months bank statements. That's it! No W2, tax returns etc. Easiest and quickest loans I've ever done!

Hi! Are you able to recommend the lender you worked with? It’s always nice to work with a lender that we already know has been good to work with!
Quote from @Sasha Mohammed:

i think more importantly is to see what the terms are on acceleration clauses. 

The reason the purpose of the loans are so important are to protect the lenders from violating different laws. I'll give you a super simplified example: if you buy a property and say you're NOT living in there, and then you do move into it; now the lender could be in violation of a litany of laws, including consumer protection laws, just based on what disclosures they did or didn't send out to you during the loan process, the rate, the fees, the terms, etc. Now they get in trouble because you told them one thing but did another. Not saying that's the case here, but there's a reason they are so particular about the use of funds. 

sounds like a step-down prepay, which is typical. But see if you can get an idea of reasons why the lender could call the note due (AKA "acceleration clause). If they find out you've changed your mind and started converting to residential, are they going to stick their hand out and immediately demand the entire balance from you?

Added: it will cost you a lot more to refi out of this once you close on it. It might be smarter to stop this loan and start a new loan for what you intend to do. I'd hate to see you throw good money after bad, with a 5% prepay in year 1, that's likely what would be happening, and that's not even taking into consideration the origination fees and transactional costs (title/escrow) you'd be paying AGAIN on the new transaction. 


 Thank you so much! The explanation of why it's not just simple to change the use after getting a specific loan is very helpful. And I would've definitely stopped this one and changed once I was more educated, but we close in two weeks and if I stop now I'll lose the property because the sellers are not patient and it was a good deal. I'm thinking I'll go with the shop for now (after all, it was my original plan) and I'm going into it knowing that in a few years I can convert, have less of a prepayment penalty and either rent or sell, both with pros & potential to make money.

Quote from @Doug Smith:
Quote from @Amber Cerone:
Quote from @Doug Smith:

If it's a normal commercial loan, you're likely looking at a prepayment penalty of 6 months worth of interest. How much earnest money do you have "hard" (non-refundable). Are you going to hold it for 5 years? Can you still buy-down the prepayment to say three years? What are the loan terms (rate, etc)? How does the prepay work? Is it a 5/4/3/2/1 or a some other type of prepay? In order to truly answer your question, I think I need to know more. You are correct about a credit union or bank doing an annual review. They will be sticklers for the loan covenants...much more so than Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would be for a residential loan. I was a commercial banker for a long time and did a lot of loans like this. I'm not thinking your necessarily in a bad position with this loan, but I would need to know more to give you the advice that you seek. 

Thank you so much! It’s a better deal to pay now for the prepayment period to be less? It’s a 5/4/3/2/1 prepay. I am putting $70k down in cash. Is that what you’re asking?
The bank will finance 80%.

The initial interest rate will be fixed for a period of Five (5) years at 8.00% per annum. The interest rate will adjust on the 5th anniversary to a rate equal to the 5-year FHLB Classic Advance Rate plus an interest spread of 2.50%. In no event shall the interest rate during the term of the Loan be less than the initial interest rate of 8.00%. Interest will be calculated on a 30 / 360.

The monthly payment is based on 30 year amortization and at the 10 year mark the remainder of the loan amount is due.

 
Partnof my question is if it makes sense to renovate and hold or renovate and sell. I feel it's a good investment either way, just not sure if one of them is better financially for future REI.


 5% of $300K is $15K...so the most you'll pay as a prepayment penalty is that. I think you have options. Your Principal and Interest Payments will be about $2200/mo. You'll want to calculate in taxes, insurance, and other costs to see what your rental break even is. Do you know how much you can rent it for? If you do rent it, will you be cash-flow positive? The issue is that the loan is being underwritten as an owner-occupied property. Renting it might give the bank heartburn vs opening a shop. They likely will take issue with that and might call the loan. Do you still plan on doing the retail shop? If not, I would certainly have a chat with the bank to get their take on it. A local bank is going to want you to set up your operating business accounts for the shop with them and they will monitor it closely. You won't just be able to sneak it by them in this instance if you choose to rent it. How much time before you have to close? If it's more than 3 or 4 weeks, you might have time to do more options. 

We only have two weeks until close. The more I research the more I think I'm better off to move forward with the shop and use the renovation as my backup plan. I don't see myself having the shop forever, so fingers crossed it's profitable and then when I'm done or the revenue shifts the other way I can renovate and refinance at that time. And yes, based on rental comps I can get $2500/month for rent so it would be cash-flow positive.
Quote from @Doug Smith:

If it's a normal commercial loan, you're likely looking at a prepayment penalty of 6 months worth of interest. How much earnest money do you have "hard" (non-refundable). Are you going to hold it for 5 years? Can you still buy-down the prepayment to say three years? What are the loan terms (rate, etc)? How does the prepay work? Is it a 5/4/3/2/1 or a some other type of prepay? In order to truly answer your question, I think I need to know more. You are correct about a credit union or bank doing an annual review. They will be sticklers for the loan covenants...much more so than Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac would be for a residential loan. I was a commercial banker for a long time and did a lot of loans like this. I'm not thinking your necessarily in a bad position with this loan, but I would need to know more to give you the advice that you seek. 

Thank you so much! It’s a better deal to pay now for the prepayment period to be less? It’s a 5/4/3/2/1 prepay. I am putting $70k down in cash. Is that what you’re asking?
The bank will finance 80%.

The initial interest rate will be fixed for a period of Five (5) years at 8.00% per annum. The interest rate will adjust on the 5th anniversary to a rate equal to the 5-year FHLB Classic Advance Rate plus an interest spread of 2.50%. In no event shall the interest rate during the term of the Loan be less than the initial interest rate of 8.00%. Interest will be calculated on a 30 / 360.

The monthly payment is based on 30 year amortization and at the 10 year mark the remainder of the loan amount is due.

 
Partnof my question is if it makes sense to renovate and hold or renovate and sell. I feel it's a good investment either way, just not sure if one of them is better financially for future REI.

Quote from @Devin Peterson:

Amber,

Make sure you check out the terms of the deal on the prepayment penalty that's a biggie. Second, a little more info on the property would be helpful. Is this a retail shop mixed use or what? I can help you locate some good local mass lenders if you can sow together a successful exit strategy without penalty. send me a pm


Thanks, Devin! The condo is currently being used as a retail space but is also zoned to be a residential condo.

The prepayment terms are Year One 5%, Year Two 4%, etc.

Before I decided to educate myself on REI, I jumped into an offer on a commercial condo to open a retail shop. Based on that, we got a conventional commercial loan with the terms of:

1. Can only use the loan proceeds to open the shop, no other purposes

2. 5 year pre-payment penalty 

3. 10 year balloon, 20% down

Since then, we’ve decided our best move with this property is to renovate it into a residential condo and either rent it or flip it. Well, we are closing in a week so it’s too late to change the type of loan without losing the deal. My thought is to close with the commercial loan then refinance to something more like a rehab or investment loan. 
I originally thought I could just keep the commercial loan and renovate into a rental. But I am ignorant enough to not know whether I will “get in trouble” for changing the use. I have been told that with the commercial loan through the credit union, I have to provide financials annually.
I would love to get some insight from those of you who are deeply involved in this area. The numbers on the property are:

Cost: $250k, Reno $45k, ARV: $400k

Thank you!

Quote from @Michael Vazza:

Hi Amber, excited to see how the journey goes for you and welcome to BP! I similarly left the corporate world as an investment manager and focus 100% on real estate now. Happy to talk anytime to share my experiences as an investor and someone who also lives on the South Shore - would be nice to connect with another local! 

thanks so much! Would love to connect…it’s exciting to know someone headed down the same path and nearby!


Hi everyone! My husband and I reside in Massachusetts, on the South Shore, and we are setting up our new REI business! We currently run a successful dog daycare company and I work a full time corporate job. It's time to diversify and I am DONE with my corporate job so our first goal is to finance my exit with REI.

I am currently devouring anything and everything I can get my hands on to learn the lingo, the process, the industry, and the experts. I want to show a profit by the end of this year and want to make connections that will help me get there without having to make massive mistakes that others have lived and learned through. 

Based on our finances and risk tolerance I'm thinking of starting with flipping as my first focus, and maybe dip my toe into the water of long term rentals and see how we like it. I understand the responsibility that comes with being a landlord so I'm still on the fence about that. But the idea of bargain hunting and making a profit is right up my alley, which is why I'm leaning toward flipping. I really want to understand the many financing options, pros & cons of each, what makes sense for what, etc. 

I would love to connect with anyone and everyone who is willing - and enjoys - to share their expertise, mentor, provide direction, etc. I also want to start building out my power team: I do have a realtor that I am going to connect with, but would love to build relationships with realtors who specialize in these types of properties. I also have a contractor but would like to have other connections in that space because I believe in multiple perspectives. Lenders, investors, folks who have been successful in this space...please reach out and connect. 

It's nerve-racking to put this out there and I feel like a small fish in a big pond, but I am determined to look back and be like "remember how it felt as a newbie and now you're a multi-millionaire??". I'm so excited for this new chapter, and can't wait to make some new business friends!