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All Forum Posts by: Alyssa Czopor

Alyssa Czopor has started 1 posts and replied 23 times.

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6

@Christopher Parsons Thank you! Taxes on income is something I forgot to factor in and much like CT, NY is high. There are so many things to consider but that is actually what I'm liking about this process, the learning. Sounds like you and your wife have a good plan and I enjoy hearing from people are going for it. Thanks for the encouragement too. I'm finding a lot of people don't understand why I want to do this so.

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6

Thank you for the feedback and suggestions. Poconos are a good option too that I haven't looked into. I did reach out to the realtor for prop mgt suggestions. From looking on Airbnb, it appears to be a STR friendly area and the realtor said only 30% live there FT. Not sure if that is a good thing or not. Do you think Airbnb is the best platform or are there other listing sites that are better? I've read mixed reviews on Airbnb. Really helpful with comp research though.

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Drew Hittner:

You really want to learn how to leverage virtual assistants, and you cleaner is your most valuable piece of the business IMO.

Thanks! Any suggestions on good companies to go through to find virtual assistants? 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Jason Charlton:


@Alyssa Czopor My first investment was in a vacation rental. In my market (Maryland), it was the Ocean City MD area. The reasons I felt it was safe to start is, its primarily a drive to market, and an established vacation rental area, which already has established
regulations around short term rentals, so little to no risk of that being a problem.

I am about two hours from the area, so having a local team there to manage repairs (if need / as needed) and a cleaning crew is key. If nothing else, have a trustworthy house keeper / cleaner who is on the same page with your goals. I went with listing it myself to start, and don't regret it at all. The VRMs in the area were terrible, and provided a horrible first experience and service. There is a lot of software and automation you can use to help with the daily tasks, so you can focus on the most important thing, which is the guests, and their experience, as well as managing and keeping in touch with your cleaning staff.

Hi Jason! Love to hear someone whose first investment was a VR. I feel like the Catskills is a good market for rentals too. I know I have personally made the trip many times for getaways in the past and it draws people not only from NYC but from CT, MA. Lots of summer activities but also winter ones like skiing and hunting. However, I do need to dig a little deeper into things to see what is allowed and what isn't in the area in terms of VRs. 

Did it take you a long time to find reputable people to work with (cleaning crew, handy man, etc)? Also, what software have you found most helpful for managing tasks? 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6

Such great information! Thank you for sharing this. 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Sofia Sharkey:

@Alyssa Czopor hi - did you read the long term investment book by David Greene by chance? That book has solid information on how you can get started while being out of state.

If you are investing from afar, short term rentals / vacation rentals are a fine strategy to start with *IF* you have the right management company. They can guide you on the best areas to target and give you comps on how much it can make based on the areas averages.

*Too many people manage their short term rentals to “save” money from the management fees The reality is that a good vacation management company will make you more money as most host don’t know how to price their units correctly, they under or over price it, therefore leaving money on the table*.

There is a whole science to it, there are multiple tools for pricing for this reason. You need to know the markets numbers and demand to price your places accurately and therefore make them profitable.

Regarding the place you’re interested in, run the numbers and see how much you can make. Then reach out to a local (I don’t recommend the big ones) vacation rental management company and see what numbers/comps they give you. Make your decision after that.

 Thanks Sofia! I haven't read that book yet but it is in my Amazon book list so I'll pick up. I definitely need to learn more about pricing and also what management companies are in the area, what they charge, etc. The pricing for VRs seems to be much different than other rental properties. 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Account Closed:

@Alyssa Czopor

Hey Alyssa - I think your first investment should be whatever you feel most comfortable with managing. We considered a VRBO as our first, but then we started thinking about the management of the property at a distance and the cost of furnishing it, and there seemed to be so many unknown factors which deterred us. We decided to go with a SFH as our first, but are still leaning towards the VRBO option for our second due to the increased cash flow.

Whatever decision you make will be the best for you. Good luck in starting your journey into REI.

 Thanks for the encouragement! :) How has your first investment property been working out for you? 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
@Balaji A.:

Thanks for the feedback, really helpful. Seems like the major obstacle and deterrent is needing someone to manage the property. I need to find out more about that before I can make any decisions. 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Steven Luttman:

@Alyssa Czopor congrats on deciding to make the plunge into real estate. It sound like you've done a lot of homework leading up to this point.

Did you factor in management costs when running the numbers? On weekly turnover style rentals you'll find their fees to be hefty. 

I, like many others on this site got my start in real estate with an owner occupied small multifamily property. Living at the property will allow you to learn the most, your acquisition costs will be more attractive, and by properly maintaining the home you'll in a small way be improving your community. 

Best of luck, -Steve

Thanks Steve! I'm really excited about diving into this. Amazing how many naysayers there are out there when I mention my plans for REI. It's nice to have some encouragement and positivity.

I didn't factor in the management costs... I wasn't sure what that would look like for VRs and naively, I thought maybe I could do it all myself but the more I'm reading and hearing from people, it's probably not feasible since I'm not a short drive away from this property I'm interested in. This property actually has good flip potential but I'm not sure I want to do that yet. 

I hear a lot of people saying the live in rentals are the way to start out. It sounds like it could offer a lot of the education and experience I need starting out. 

Post: Newbie looking @ vacation rental as first investment purchase

Alyssa CzoporPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Farmington, CT
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 6
Originally posted by @Brian G.:

@Alyssa Czopor VRs are an excellent way to profit!The downside is it’s much more active than LTRs and is quite the learning curve. The upside is your gross revenue can be 2-4x the monthly gross of a LTR. I can not speak to that specific market but you can absolutely self manage remotely with the right tools and some fuidance. Lots of people here on BP self manage remotely, including myself from 2,000+ miles away. So, if you really want to juice your returns, don’t mind learning an active business, have some time freedom then VRs might be right for you. If not, going with a LTR might be the better approach for you. Depends primarily on your goals and available time imo.

Thanks for the insight. What tools have helped you be the most successful? I'm trying to learn as much as I can so if there are any resources you can suggest, that would be great! I'm not too far away from this property but far enough I think it could get overwhelming quickly if I don't have the ability to manage things from a distance. I'm still in that 9-5 job type situation (for now) so I won't be able to get up and go to the property at a moment's notice. I'm trying to be as smart about this as possible. The pros of the VRs are pretty appealing though.