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All Forum Posts by: Sam Alpha

Sam Alpha has started 8 posts and replied 120 times.

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24

@Jay Hinrichs 

Your use of "is this correct" makes me feel that I stand in front of a very serious judge about to deliver! Lol

I would love to answer those question, but when I spoke to him, I assumed that only one situation was possible.  

- He was late on his payments

- As far as he can be current, the property is his belonging

- If I pay that amount (+ what I would forward him), I take over the property (possibly and preferably via a new mortgage under my name)

I will clarify all this with him and keep you updated.  Also, are there any other situations that can exist which I need to be aware of? Can you think of anything else that I need to be asking him?

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Bill Gulley:

Govt. agency?

Yes. The mortgage is with Fannie Mae.

As mentioned, this is a cash purchase prior to sale or at auction.

Bill, it may only have sounded like that due to my lack of knowledge. Either Jay or you could be correct.  At least, now I can add this as a question to ask the owner when I speak to him.

Your first deal? 

Yes

Do you have the funds for the down and repairs

I have about 50%

I'd suggest you look for a cash buyer and try to partner.

Might take an option and flip the option to a cash buyer with the seller's knowledge!

Bill, I would like to have this property as a buy and hold. The very first in my empty portfolio.

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Rick H.:

Your post is way too long to engage a reader.  Here's how to set up a deal:

Property value (after repaired value) 

Less estimated:

Cost of repairs

Principal balance of loans

Cost-to-cure loan(s)

Equals estimated equity

Rick, you are right.  There was information I could have omitted.  However, sometimes readers tend to want more information to give a more precise answer.  

Also, thank you for showing me how to put it into a summarized form.

I presume you are trying to buy equity at a discount. 

That is correct.

What are you willing to pay the owner or exchange for the equity?

      $10K

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

 Don't count on negotiating the bank down.. if this goes to auction it will probably sell 3P with that kind of spread and quality area.

Jay, I am on the wire on this.  If I ask, I could potentially miss out on the deal, but if the offer gets accepted, then a good deal just became a great deal.  If I don't, I will stay with that "what if" thought for a while.

This is just my amateur opinion and your thoughts on this would hold good value. What do you say Jay?

Also, was 3P (above) a typo, or does it stand for something?

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24

@Jay Hinrichs I will be updating the progress via this thread.  I hope it works out like one of those stories you here on the podcasts, but I'm guessing those are the ones that are a long shot away.

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24
Originally posted by @Curt Davis:

So are you planning to retail flip the home then ?  

I am planning to have this as a buy and hold

How are you planning on buying the home?  

Under normal circumstances, I would have paid cash, got the property in good order and then gotten a mortgage.  However, I do not have that option at the moment.

I dont see how you could purchase with conventional bank financing as the home needs $30k in repairs.  

I am in full agreement with you on this and am hoping that someone has a creative answer for this.

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24

Rick H. 

I wasn't expecting many responses as quickly as this.  Knowing that I can't offer much from my position, it is very generous of you to give your time. So I say a simple, but sincere Thank You for giving me your much valued time.

Post: How would YOU tackle this foreclosure deal?

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24

Hello,

I will try and keep this as short, but detailed as possible. 

My experience with RE is at best limited to the BP podcasts and a little reading material, as I have only decided a few months back, that I would like to enter into this field.

I was out on a run today and happened to go through a sub-division.  I stopped briefly to hold a conversation with an older gentleman and one thing led to another, with him disclosing that his home was to be auctioned in January 2015.

This led me to investigate a little further and this is what I got.

Outstanding debt: 80K.  However, note that with auction charges, attorney fees etc, the bank (which is actually a Govt. agency) wants to settle for $100K.

Repairs: The home needs a bit of work.  I did not get enough information as he had to leave.  However, he seemed like a reasonably trustworthy person and actually was the one that disclosed to me that the home would need repairs worth $30K.  This figure would apply to the work being contracted out and I plan to get some sort of an inspection done.  

Other Expenses: If the home gets sold at the auction, he gets nothing.  I asked him what he thought would be a fair amount, if I had to pay him to get this deal closed before it went to the auction.  He told me that is he got $10K, he would be ecstatic!.  I acknowledged his response, without portraying any type of commitment.  In saying that, this gentleman has had the need to let his house go due to a very sad situation.  If I had to pay him this amount, I would still end up getting a decent deal and so will very likely not negotiate him down, as I can see that money lifting a huge burden off him.

Property Value: Running comps to what has sold recently (3 months) and what is on sale as of now, the average price/sq. ft. is: $116. This is a 1637 sq.ft home and so that would appraise it at: $189,892 (ARV).

Property Details: Built in 1988, 3/2.5, 2 car garage, 1637 sq. ft., single family home.  The home is within a sub-division, which is situated in a very high demand area due to good schools, low crime and a middle class, young family type demographic.

Calculations:

Bank Pay-off: $100K. I plan to negotiate this down with them, as they will be saving on costs to take the property to the auction and on time value as well.

Repair Cost: $30K

Payment to Owner: $10K

Closing Cost + Other Expenses: $4K

Total: $144K (Market Value: $189K; Savings: $45K)

Since I have not done any deals, how can I go about making this a successful one.

I thank you in advance for your opinions, guidance and suggestions.  From a newbie that wants to dip that first toe in the water, it is all very much appreciated.

Regards,

Sam

NOTE: I have other questions connected to this property that I will post tomorrow in the appropriate sections.  I will post the link here (if it allows me to edit the post) or in the comments section.  Alternatively, please find the posts via my profile.

Post: Foreclosure.com

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24

Hi @Noah Swank were you able to find any other creative ways to find (pre-) foreclosures?

Post: Deal in Lake Mary FL

Sam AlphaPosted
  • Rental Property Investor
  • Orlando, FL
  • Posts 132
  • Votes 24

Hi Jacob,

I live in Oviedo and frequent Lake Mary all the time (I just bought a 0.5 acre piece of land by Lk Mary Blvd and Reinhart) 

With these numbers, I have to agree with Hattie.  However, I think you may be able to make a small profit if you don't have to hold it for too long (note that in Lake Mary, the stats show that the DOM has gradually increased over the last 3 months and with summer coming to an end, it may slow further - still healthy selling though) and get most of the work done by yourself.  The question is, is it worth the risk when you can wait for a better/safer opportunity?  Only you can answer that.

If you still want to go ahead with it, I have a friend that has more experience in the business that might be able to look at your numbers in detail and go 50-50 with you.  If you are interested, PM me and we can take it from there.

Also, can you post the details.  Sq footage, year built, single family etc.  It may help in analyzing it better.

On a different note, if you do have a flip in the future with better numbers, I have available funds to work with you.