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All Forum Posts by: Allan Smith

Allan Smith has started 58 posts and replied 1361 times.

Post: Anyone do New Construction?

Allan SmithPosted
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That model is called build to rent and I have done a few single-family houses. You get a construction loan that automatically rolls into an amortized loan. All that is set in motion at the beginning so there's no refinance or anything. I always got commercial loans, but there might be a construction loan that rolls into rental and the conventional world. You could easily talk to a mortgage broker and have an answer in 5 minutes. Although those guys sure love to talk so it's probably more like 30 minutes.

Post: What to do with tenant property during eviction?

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In Tennessee and even in different counties with different jurisdictions, I always see piles of tenant trash at the curb. So most landlords just pay somebody to haul it out of the house so they can get the unit ready for the next tenant. The law is something like you have to keep it for 30 days in case the tenant comes back for it, in this state I mean.

Quote from @Sam Yin:

@Allan Smith

To a large degree, I have to agree with Bill's math. But I would add that there are a few other nuances to each person's formula. It all depends on your personal goals. Are you trying to create a stable portfolio with minimal risks or are you trying to scale up by leveraging your equity?

I personally do not follow any specific math but I do take I to account some general rules of thumb. The biggest one I use is the realistic sales number and what the net proceeds would be. On top of that, I also account for the current costs of available inventory in the market I'm investing in.

If the net proceeds are over 5X the annual income, I think it's safe more me to say that it would be wiser to cash out and reinvest. If not, then I better have an upleg ready to go that would allow higher leverage with upside.

Recent example, I had a really good performing 6 unit (all 1/1), plus 1 unpermitted studio. I purchased June 2021 for $700K. It cost about $240K to cost that deal. It produced about $50K cash flow. It had enough room to grow to about $70K cash flow in next few years. That $240K came from a 1031X SFR that I purchased summer of 2015 with about $30K down payment. It was a live in for 2 years.

I sold it for $900K last month. It was grossing $7903/month in rent at the time of sale and I helped increase it by another $400 to get the new owners even more income. After the dust settled, I net about $400k in the 1031. I found an upleg that is 14 units for about $2M. I will use $400K as down payment and finance the rest. The 14 units had a better mix... several 3/2s in the mix, spanning 7 parcels. Additionally, I also included a large vacant lot. The gross on this new purchase is about $18500/month. There is some upside left, may be bring up to $20K/month.

But here is the fine print, it in the same area. The price per door for multi-bedroom multifamily units in the area are about $180K/door. For regular units, its $220+/door.

These are the things that go into the decisions of whether to refi some equity or sell and exchange. Your personal goal will dictate the strategy and the speed in which to employ these tactics.

There is nothing wrong with refi to use tax free equity to purchase more either. It's just slower and less efficient. I did it a few times. I fact, I did it with the SFR that is used for the exchange I mentioned above. I had extracted some equity before to purchase a 2plex in 2018.


 Your example of trading up to the 14 Plex is exactly what I want to do. The problem is prices have gone up so much the best I could do is sell my duplex and get another duplex. And in order to cash flow I would have to use all the net cash as a down payment and do 50 or 60% down just for positive cash flow.

Post: Post rehab Appraisal

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As long as you execute on the scope of work that was sent to the appraiser, I wouldn't worry about it. I'm surprised they are doing two appraisals. I have gotten a lot of construction loans and they do the subject to appraisal at the beginning, based on what it will be worth once it's all fixed up.

Quote from @Nathan Gesner:

FWIW, I realized my ROE is more like 6.5% because I have a HELOC on the property that I'm using

So let's say I want to use the equity for a better return. What are the advantages to selling vs refinancing and using the equity tax free? I do want to trade into better assets, but then I hate give up an asset that could continue working for me. I guess the replacement asset would just need to be that much better?? It's hard to compete with 2 properties cash flowing and appreciating: a refinanced property and a property purchase with that cash-out refi.

I have 40 rentals that I mostly bought 3 - 5 years ago and am really struggling with optimizing ROE. The funny thing is, I can't really trade up because even after properties have tripled in value, the better assets are also way more expensive and not affordable.

Post: For those who self-manage at a distance, how do you manage keys?

Allan SmithPosted
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You could do Wi-Fi locks with no keys. But I think a better solution is a local person who is the gatekeeper. Probably a realtor who is looking for some extra income. You could keep the keys at a self storage place or something, and then just ask the realtor to check on the inventory occasionally or something. I've thought about doing something like this for my Chattanooga rentals.

Llc's taxed as an S corp are a great way to shelter taxes for flipping houses. The Sweet Spot seems to be from 100 to 250k per year in profit.  Talk to your cpa. You get what you pay for with free internet advice.

Post: Subto on Lot?

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How do you plan to make money on it? If you plan to build, just remember that you still have to go get a construction loan so taking the land subject to probably won't work because the first loan will be in the way.

Post: Landlord Insurance Agencies Referrals

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Arcana is in most states.

Post: Mid-Term Rental or Traditional Rental in Mesquite

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If the question is midterm or traditional, I would say a midterm should net at least twice as much as a long-term. This is mostly because it can be harder to keep the vacancies filled in, and overall it's just a lot more work. Plus you have the initial capital of the furniture and all that. If you go to furnish it, I think a lot of people tend to like the Ikea model where a bunch of furniture shows up in a box, then you hire somebody to swing by and spend a few days putting the house together. When we furnished ours we got a bunch of deals all over Facebook marketplace. We paid a third of face value of the furniture and it looks great, but it was a bit of a pain driving around town and getting large items.