Skip to content
×
PRO
Pro Members Get Full Access!
Get off the sidelines and take action in real estate investing with BiggerPockets Pro. Our comprehensive suite of tools and resources minimize mistakes, support informed decisions, and propel you to success.
Advanced networking features
Market and Deal Finder tools
Property analysis calculators
Landlord Command Center
$0
TODAY
$69.00/month when billed monthly.
$32.50/month when billed annually.
7 day free trial. Cancel anytime
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here
Pick markets, find deals, analyze and manage properties. Try BiggerPockets PRO.
x
All Forum Categories
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

All Forum Posts by: Alfred Derrick

Alfred Derrick has started 1 posts and replied 11 times.

Oh, okay. That's definitely something to consider. I really excited to start this process. Thanks for the information. I may consider house hacking a SFH if I lose my appetite for the new build of a duplex.

Originally posted by @Scott Morongell:

@Alfred Derrick the downside or risk if that if you haven't done either a house hack or new build it is a lot to bite off. I would suggest that you continue to scour the mls and create relationships with wholesalers to find off-market opportunities. Turn over enough stone and don't be in a rush to buy. This will give you the best opportunity to see deals clearly and make a strong investment. 

@Scott Morongell, I could see how building a new duplex could be a daunting task especially since I travel a lot for work. As for using the MLS listings, do I need to get connected with a realtor or is that something that I can gain access to on my own?

Originally posted by @Nik Moushon:

@Alfred Derrick

Theres a lot to consider when building new. Financing is actually going to be your first hurdle to over come (IMO) because that will dictate how much money you need for a DP (and how big a duplex you can build) and when you can start. Most will want at least 20% DP and some up to 30%. Now some will have lower DP bc you are planning to live there but some still view duplexs differently and thus require a larger DP. Construction loans typically will last between 10-12months so you don't want to pull that too early. So you will need to find a lender that you can approve for a total amount of the land + the construction cost. Talk to several lenders and get that ball rolling to find out at least a rough number of where your max lending is going to be. 

Once you have a number then you can start shopping for a lot. No use doing that first if you cant afford to buy it and build on it. When building any rental location is everything. Even if its in a neighborhood of SFH, if the location is right it wont matter. And really Duplexs are viewed much better the 3+ unit build in SF neighborhoods. And if zoning allows then I wouldn't care about what the neighbors have to say. Its your right. No need to be rude about it but just because they would prefer a wealthy neighbor that can boost their property values a lot doesn't mean you can't build there. The important thing is to design it so it doesn't look like a typical developer duplex that looks cheap and that every corner possible was cut. Spend the little extra money to make the outside look nicer and feel more like a SFH and that will go a lot farther. Plus you living there will ease their minds a lot too. I'll be breaking ground on a Duplex in the spring and its in a SF neighborhood. But its location is prime real estate, just across the street from the hospital, so I know it is going to be a great investment. But since I'm an architect I have the ability and knowledge of how to design a duplex that has a much better looking front facade than most. Plus one of my units is going to be larger than most the houses on the block.

At the same time you are looking for a lot you will want to be looking for an architect to design your duplex (a little bias here since I am one). I will say in most jurisdictions an architect is not required for a duplex so you dont have to go to one. There will be GC and builders out there that have plans to sell you. But just remember you get what you pay for. GC and builders will have designs that look like a developer house. They will be cookie cutter and bland. Any changes will cost you extra and it will be expensive. The advantage of an  architect is they are more design conscience and if you are trying to fit a duplex into a SF neighborhood AND be mindful of that neighborhood this is the route to go. Plus a lot of architects will have plans from duplexs that they can re-use. With todays market everyone is SUPER busy. If you go to them and are willing to use plans they already have done they will be much more willing to work with you and will be more willing to tweak (very minor changes) the plans for you without charging more. It saves everyone time and money in the end. GCs and builders are going to be re-using plans they have anyways. So if you are open to having re-used plans and not a custom plan done from scratch you can save a lot of time and money. BUT what ever you do....DO NOT buy plans online. DO. NOT. DO. IT. It is never worth it. Its  never cheaper in the end. 

Once you have plans then you can start shopping around for a GC and getting bids. Then once you pick a GC and get a full cost estimate THEN you get to circle back to the lender to finalize your loan. So you can see that you have to do a lot all at the same time if you dont want this dragging out for a year. Because if you don't do this then you will have to buy the land first and have it as a separate loan and then get a second construction loan then refinance everything again to one final loan. All that time really adds up fast and next thing you know you are a year out from when you started and you havent even start construction yet. All the while paying for an empty lot. Now maybe you can afford that. And not that its wrong to do it that way...its just not ideal. 

I can get into greater detail if you want but I've already rambled more than I planned to lol. Hope this helps. 

Thanks, @Nik Moushon. I really had no idea that it was this involved. In my preliminary research, I found a little information about FHA 1x construction loans that could cover the cost of the land and construction on the duplex. Have you had any experiences with these types of loans, good or bad? It seems appealing because of the lower down payment at 3.5%. But, I'm worried that it might be too good to be true.

@Nicole Heasley Beitenman, how was the process? Did you do it with a duplex or other multi-family dwelling like I am planning to do? How did you manage collecting rents and related expenses?

Originally posted by @Nicole Heasley Beitenman:

I househacked a SFH for 3 years. It's do-able.

Thanks, Trin. I will likely be taking you up on that offer. I’ve found a couple pieces of land, but the problem is that they appear to be mostly located in single family neighborhoods. I am searching for something that will easily blend in with the other properties around it. It’d be nice if I could find some land in the middle of other du- or triplexes, apartments, and single family homes. But, that seems to be kind of rare in the Gainesville area near the school district that I want to be in.

Originally posted by @Trin Nagireddy:

@Alfred Derrick : looking at the prices now, it’s good idea to build new, unless you buy the dirt/ land at right price. I am building( hired GC) couple of homes in Cumming, GA . Can PM me I will help you to analyze .

Thanks, Trin

Originally posted by @Alvin Sylvain:
The only advice I can render is, check the market in the area you want to build in. Look at what else the area has to offer.
E.g., if you happen to build the ONLY duplex surrounded by SFR's, it might be a bit difficult to rent, plus your neighbors will see it as a hit to their property values. Not a good way to instill community relations.
Find a lot in a nice area, one that is surrounded by a nice mix of apartments of varying sizes and SFR's, you'll probably do a lot better. You'll not only be in an area you like, but your renters and neighbors will be happy too.
Just my opinion, with utterly no basis in experience.

Thanks, Alvin. I never really considered the particular area as a factor. I found a vacant lot online, but I think that the duplex that I am considering building would be the only one in the whole neighborhood of single family residences. Your perspective might have just prevented me from making an expensive mistake.

Originally posted by @Greg Dickerson:

The decision comes down the numbers and available inventory. If you can build cheaper than you can buy or buy and renovate that’s the way to go. New will generally rent faster and for more if it’s a good location. 

Thanks for the solid advice, Greg. Available inventory at the price I’m looking to enter the market is just not available which is why I was looking to build. Do you know of any sources online that would be good for finding properties? I’ve been checking the traditional sites like ReMax and Zillow, but coming up short.