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All Forum Posts by: Alex Breshears

Alex Breshears has started 7 posts and replied 310 times.

Post: Private lending in 2nd position

Alex Breshears
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  • Springfield, MO
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Quote from @Jarrod Ochsenbein:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Jarrod Ochsenbein

You are correct that if property has equity coverage you would get paid off in a foreclosure

Just realize what is loan for, if it’s fix and flip the property may not be fully renovated which add risk

It comes down to underwriting the borrower. There are no guarantees in life. We had a borrower who first three loans did great and this fourth one is in default (we are in first).

It’s unfortunate but it happens


Thank you Chris. My current loan is for $45k on a property they picked up for $215k. As it sits it is worth around $280 ish and ARV is $340k according to me. The borrower is thinking $360, but either way I believe there is equity. The first lien is hard money.

My concern with being in 2nd lien would be the hard money loan. Many of those loans don’t allow junior liens - so if your lien is discovered and they send the borrower a notice of default (because they broke one of the rules of their financial agreement) - then they may have a very short time to repay your lien (if they can). Since these lenders are very asset focused - and with so much equity in the deal - they could push for foreclosure just because there is a junior lien. How likely is that to happen depends on how close the lender is following their portfolio. I would also be added to the hazard insurance as an additional loss payee/mortgagee and have a lenders title policy for every transaction as a way of further protecting yourself. I’ve lent in the 2nd lien position several times but it’s a very tight buy box - and I will absolutely not do it behind a HML. That’s just my risk tolerance tho - yours may be different. 

Post: This Blows My Mind For Those Acting A A Lender

Alex Breshears
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  • Springfield, MO
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Quote from @Becca F.:

Someone on BP messaged me about doing transactional lending and a double close. I spoke with him on the phone and he asked me if I could help fund his deal for $91,000 and it would be wired to a title company. He would pay me 7% and I would get the money back in 24 hours, 48 hours at the most. He does his sales pitch about loaning him $100,000 and doing multiple deals in a month and I could supposedly make $30,000 a month by doing 10 deals a month. 

I told him I wanted to research this. I've never met this guy - he's out of state in Florida, says he's a licensed realtor. He sent me the purchase agreements for these properties. The title company emails me paperwork thinking I'm going to loan him over $200,000 for 2 properties... absolutely not. Then lots of high pressure, promises me 10% then 12% if I can fund his deal or find someone else. I have no idea if this title company is legit. They have a website. I could throw up a site and say I'm XYZ business. 

I guess some people make money doing transactional lending but this whole scenario sounded shady. If it was someone in the Bay Area I could meet in person, may be worth considering but someone over 2000 miles away, hard pass. Making $30,000 a month.... come on.... I have a bridge to sell you in Alaska. 

I can’t tell you how happy I am that you stood your ground! I’ve seen this before and so many people just bend to their will. I have done transactional funding - but I still underwrite the deal as if they would keep it on the off chance they can’t get the end buyer to exercise and actually close. You did the right thing!  
No matter what - you have them sign your documents that you had your attorney create for you. Do not use someone else’s docs - ever. You don’t know if they are legal in that state or even protect you as the lender. It’s critical you know your docs and are familiar with your terms in those documents. Don’t fall to the pressure tactics. Stick to your guns and your gut! 

Post: Obtaining additional Capital for our Fix/Flips to Scale Faster - Suggestions?

Alex Breshears
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  • Springfield, MO
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Quote from @Tony Pellettieri:
Quote from @Chris Seveney:

@Anthony Pellettieri

I would go hard money as well and get a good relationship with a lender. If you covered the rehab cost and they financed the acquisition that could be more advantageous.

Also if you keep one as a rental and own that you could use that as collateral as well

Side note just remember you will pay taxes on your gains so if you make $50k make sure to leave some money set aside for taxes

Excellent strategy!

If we can get good enough deals on each acquisition, the bank should cover most/all of each purchase, correct?

If I kept one as a rental and owned it outright, what would I need to use it as collateral for? A gap in the LTV and the purchase price?

If you have one property that is paid off - what a private lender like myself might be able to do is cross collateralize that property with your new acquisition so essentially the down payment money is coming from equity in that second property. Then the lien is paid off when you refinance - so no down payment needed. Just another tactic to try - flexibility of private lenders for the win! 

Post: Obtaining additional Capital for our Fix/Flips to Scale Faster - Suggestions?

Alex Breshears
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  • Springfield, MO
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Quote from @Tony Pellettieri:

We just started to Fix & Flip using our own capital a few months back and currently have two projects that are both about 3-4 weeks out from completion. I decided to commit full time to learning this business as I knew starting out, even after studying real estate for the past 4 years, it was going to be a tremendous learning curve. I'm fortunate to have found a great GC to work beside me that will be our Project Manager to pull permits, and Subs/Handyman to complete all of the required work.

We have some additional capital on hand that exceeded what we needed to complete our first two projects and recently came across a deal that we didn't want to pass up that our crew is able to take on. We just put it under contract yesterday. That'll be flip #3.

Our plan is to sell the 2 houses which we expect to make nice returns on, invest all of our profits back into the purchase of 3-5 more properties, and scale as quickly as we can. We've made some mistakes along the way to say the least, which was expected, but they have led to many lessons learned.

My question is... What forms of borrowing/lending would be best to access the capital we need when we find a deal we're interested in purchasing? Starting out, once a funding source is lined up, I'd ideally like to put under contract a deal a week for the first couple of months while ensuring the team we have in place is able to handle the work we take on while making adjustments as needed.

Our target properties are able to be purchased for 40k-60k, need 15k-70k in repairs, and have an ARV of 125k-225k+ depending on the extent of the rehab involved. We plan for our holding time moving forward to typically be 10-12 weeks up to 4-6 months depending on the SOW.

Welcome to real estate investing - it sounds like all the time you spent learning is paying off. As someone who lends out my own capital - I can tell you I’ve seen my borrowers organically and manageably grow their real estate portfolio. The focus on scaling is one thing - but the purpose is another. Acquiring more doors isn’t always the solution! So with that being said - I just wanted you to have a moment to think about what exactly does “scale” look like to you from a financial perspective - a time perspective - and what you physically want to be doing with your time. 

Once you know that part - it is easier to put the puzzle pieces into place. For example - if you decide over the next 12 months you want to buy 10 more properties to rent out as long term rentals - and you will be living off some level of cash flow for these properties - then making sure you have the best borrowing capacity possible will be crucial. Think high credit scores and being able to show sufficient liquidity for your growing portfolio as your reserve requirements. 

Bank loans or conforming loans may work for properties that are habitable and not in need of significant renovation. Also - if you have the ability to have 30 days to close on that particular property - that may offer the lowest interest rate, longest amortization period, and you won’t have to go through the expense and time of refinancing.  DSCR loans will also work in this way - but more of the focus may be on the property itself - but your personal credit may be pulled in the process. 

If you are facing the situation the properties are not habitable and you will need to close quickly - hard money/private money (those are two different things) - will likely be your best option. Those loan products can vary wildly - but I can speak about what I generally do as a private lender. I will lend up to 100% of the purchase price that goes up to 70% of the after repair value. We will also lend on renovation and repairs up to that 70% after repair value. In that case - your cash requirement would be down payment (if any) and closing costs - and then refinance into permanent debt within 12 months once the property is renovated and rented. 

Operating in the price ranges you are - what my investors do is buy 2-3 at a time, renovate them as you have mentioned and then refinance them all together into a portfolio loan to get around the minimum loan amount problem that can be sometimes an issue in these types of markets. 

You can use leverage as a tool, but it can also be a weapon. There needs to be a balance of liquidity for yourself and your business, cashflow, and leverage for the property/portfolio. That’s why I say scale with intention - it’s easy to get excited and caught up - and before you know it you are working 80 hours a week in a capacity you never imagined. 

pick the right tool for the right job! 

Post: Clearing up something about private lending...

Alex Breshears
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  • Springfield, MO
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Quote from @James Blair:

I totally agree. Being a private money lender who lends out my own money, the typical response I receive from potential borrowers is that it is hard money. Seems like there are a lot less private lenders out there relative to hard money lenders. Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

@ George Randall - I like your term "institutional" lenders and will use that when trying to explain the difference between private money and hard money on the next opportunity.

I agree with you! There probably are many
more private lenders like us than the institutional hard money lenders when you look at sheer number of each - but the “big guys” have the ability to market and advertise much more - they are placing a larger volume of deal flow - so they get a lot of attention. The little guys like us just quietly do our thing in our network. I really enjoy that aspect of my business - I work with some great people over and over. Everyone gets set up for a win - and we watch each other prosper. What I don’t think a lot of people realize is we are taking money back from Wall Street and putting it on Main Street. We are helping our communities, business owners in our communities etc. 

Post: Guidance - Missouri

Alex Breshears
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Since I lend a lot in Missouri I see this problem frequently. I will tell you local or regional banks will be your best friend. If you have multiple you can combine them into one loan called a portfolio loan to increase the loan amount to make it more interesting to a bank.  Since I lend for the short term the investors I work with in Missouri will buy 2-4 at a time, renovate them and then refinance all of them at once with a portfolio loan. Many of my borrowers like Central Bank and Old Missouri Bank for these types of loans. I hope that helps! 

Post: Financing a fix and flip

Alex Breshears
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Depending on your goals for the property and how much underwriting you want to be subjected to - your options are broadly as follows. 

1) If the property is habitable and just needs some updates and minor repairs and you would like to keep it as a rental - conforming loans will be the cheapest rate and fees, require full underwriting on you, and your income will be considered to buy the property - think DTI ratio.

2) If the property is not habitable that leaves you with something like a hard money loan or private loan - which are normally short term debt. You will then need to renovate and refinance into permanent debt if you want to keep this property as a rental. This route could also end in a conforming loan like above, but for investors is often ends up in a DSCR loan because it will take into account the income the property produces.

3) Private lender that lends in that state or market can close quickly, usually with more flexible terms, and depending on your purchase price and value of the property up to 100% of the purchase price can be borrowed. For example - I will lend up to 100% of the purchase price as long as it is below 70% of the after repair value of the property. Once the property is renovated you can work on permanent financing, and you potentially have a property with minimal amount out of pocket. 

The first real consideration is the condition of the property, then how long you plan on having the property, then how much underwriting you want to go through - that gives you your answer! 

I hope that helps! 

Post: Clearing up something about private lending...

Alex Breshears
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Quote from @Alan F.:
Quote from @Alex Breshears:

Since I get these questions a lot - I thought going out to the BP community to see what they think might be educational.

As a private lender, I've discovered the term is very ambiguous and vague to borrowers. There are not unified terms within the lending space to differentiate a lender like myself that lends out their own capital in defined ways secured against real estate, a lender that is more synonymous with 'hard money' that has very strict underwriting criteria and documentation requirements, a friends and family lender that may give a borrower money for the downpayment or closing costs - or even DSCR lenders that will offer permanent debt on properties.

It gets confusing for borrowers. Before the pandemic of 2020, most borrowers didn't think about where the money came from to fund their deal, as long as it showed up on the closing day. Now, understanding the source of your capital and what can be done with that source will allow an investor to reach out for the right tool at the right time.

"Private Lender" as I am using it here denotes individuals (or their business entity) that are lending money they directly control and keep for the life of the loan. They are not turning around and selling it on the secondary market, so they have the freedom to be more flexible on underwriting and loan terms. Many have a business model of keeping the lights on with interest paid during the life of the loan. These lenders will want to have their capital backed by an asset - usually some piece of property. This will be done by filing a lien (mortgage vs deed of trust) in the municipality where the property is located.  A few smaller private lenders may offer 2nd lien products, but they will be under very specific criteria and with a combined loan to value usually below 75%.

"Hard money" as I'm using it here will be the large lenders you see advertising everywhere. They can usually lend in most, if not all, states in the US.  They have institutional backing from possibly a large fund, hedge fund, warehouse lines of credit, or large business lines of credit.  Usually these lenders are selling their loans on the secondary market and off to fund the next deal. Their business model relies on deal flow, and that requires some conformity to what the secondary market is willing to buy. That's why you see the very strict underwriting criteria and documentation requirements for these types of lenders.  These can be a great asset if you have a very standard deal, good credit, lots of experience, and potentially time for a more thorough underwriting to close your deal. They also have much higher maximums than some private lenders, so if you are looking to take down a luxury property or even a medium sized multifamily deal quickly - these types of lenders can be a great resource.  Some may also offer a short term bridge debt option that rolls into permanent financing at a certain benchmark, saving in refi costs.

DSCR lenders as I'm using it will be permanent debt financing for many investors because these loan products look heavily at the income the property produces. The underwriting may involve a credit check on the primary borrower, others do not but may require a personal guarantee signed by members of the business entity borrower. Terms can vary widely in this category from annual interest rates, prepayment penalties, income calculation, DSCR ratio, maximum loan to value, minimum and maximum loan size, amortization period, and requirements to escrow taxes and insurance. If the property is in a habitable condition at the time of purchase, and will have an income that can support the purchase price, these are a great option for many investors as long term permanent debt.

Where I think the waters get muddiest is with people seeking "gator lending".  These investors are looking for capital for anything and everything from earnest money deposits, renovation costs of the property, downpayment and closing cost assistance for acquisition of a new property, or help with holding costs while the property is undergoing renovation and not producing income.  Most of these requests have no ability to secure the capital against an asset, or if there is a 2nd lien placed on the property it may be behind a lender that doesn't allow junior liens.  While there can be ways to secure your capital in this type of lending, in many instances that I have seen these deals go bad because the borrower was undercapitalized to begin with, both borrower and lender are inexperienced, and neither understand the risk they are taking on. Yes, there is risk for the borrower doing this type of lending.  If you have a foreclosure notice or judgement pop up in public records, you will have a much harder time getting loans in the future to continue your real estate investing journey.

So what has your experience been with lenders?  Do you agree with this broad assessment? I realize these are highly generalized, but in order to provide a bit of clarity to investors on the sources of capital available to them I thought this would be a good starting point.


What a great post, thank you. As a mom n pop flipper and sole prop contractor 1099 I have been unappealing to lenders since 2008. Even with 800+ FICO, 0 DTI and 100% equity in primary. My exposure and knowledge of leverage is very limited. All my flips are cash out of pocket. Are there any books or information that you would suggest for education?

If you want to get an idea of what the private lender may be looking for I’m one of the authors of BiggerPockets private lending book. What you could do is use that to make your own home grown army of private lenders to fund your deals - and potentially for longer periods of time. I know a few active investors that use exclusively private capital for longer terms - 3-7 years for example - and then they have a cash flowing rental without a credit check. But the book would give you an idea of what a lender would be looking for, how the process would look, and that way you can talk to your potential lender community and say here’s how I’m going to protect your money. 

Post: Looking to start passive income in rental properties, with $200k in 401k

Alex Breshears
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Hi Steve and welcome to the BP family! There is a ton to learn out there, so don't get overwhelmed.  I will say focus on what is important to you. If you said cashflow in your original post, then stick to opportunities that will afford you that cashflow.  If you are investing out of a retirement account, you can't benefit from the cashflow today, but if you are investing out of accounts that are not retirement accounts you can benefit today.

I bring this up because this may shape how you look at investing options. For example, if you want that nest egg of a retirement account to grow quite a bit, but don't necessarily need cashflow monthly or even quarterly from it, maybe investing in a syndication where you are invested with other people in a larger commercial property makes sense.  These projects can have the capacity to 2x or 3x your capital over several years, but may be light on cashflow as they renovate or build that property.  If you are truly after steady consistent cash flow - something like private lending might be a good option because you would have monthly interest payments coming in.  A $200k private loan could easily get you $2000 a month in interest payments, that would ultimately end up back in your retirement account.  It could be a way to consistently see your account balance grow and it may be rewarding to see that monthly income coming into the account - but realize it won't be income you can use today.   Feel free to respond or send me a message with additional questions.  I'm happy to help connect you to resources available to you!  

Welcome to the BP Community!

Post: Clearing up something about private lending...

Alex Breshears
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I agree Andrew! We can't expect borrowers to act accordingly or even ask for the appropriate things if they don't even know what kind of lender they are talking to or what tools they may have available to them in general.  Leverage can be a really powerful tool, so learning how and when to use it will go a long way for an investor to be successful in real estate. It's so central to real estate investing, and yet there isn't enough discussion on using it as part of your business plan to build a prosperous real estate business.