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All Forum Posts by: Alex Beaulieu

Alex Beaulieu has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Dave Skow:

@Alex Beaulieu 1) get pre approved for the scenario you are considering to make sure all looks oK and so you have time to fix any issues if there are any 2) a 3% down ARM is not likely to be a program that exists ....you will liekly be using a 30 yr fixed rate if putting 3% down 3) changing a property to a rental after owning it for some time is fine to do ( make sure to try to refinance this property BEFORE changing it to a rental

 Thanks @Dave Skow! One lender in particular is offering 0-10% down for their ARMs. I wasn’t sure if that was common or not but either way I’m open to fixed rates as well! We’ll probably be going through the pre-approval process 2 months out (January 2023) from when we want to start actively looking in March.

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Matt M.:

Don't be afraid of an ARM. I've used them a bunch. My lender has a 10 year that hasn't been beat. ARMs get a bad rap from the 1-3 year arms that hit in 2008. There's a duplex just south of me on the market at $650k, so you can find them if you know where/how to look. On market is showings some deals finally.

 Thanks @Matt M. I agree! I think they can definitely be useful. Any chance you can DM me your lender? I’d be curious to compare! We’re  still a few months out from going to lenders but couldn’t hurt to compile a few to compare and check out. The market does look like it’s softening a bit but I’ll be curious to see how it is early next year when we start actively looking.

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Joe Garretson:

Just my two cents, I'd run, fast and far, from an ARM. Not much room really for rates to go down so you're only gambling on the wrong side. An ARM on a $750,000+ loan takes a somewhat manageable payment to untenable after even the smallest rate reset.

I don't believe this market will see big drops like has happened in the past. This last run up feels very much like what has happened in past cycles where prices shoot up, plateau, maybe come down a bit, but never drop significantly. It's unlike the chaos of '07-'08 with horrendous loans and bad practices. 

And if I may ask, why Ken Caryl/Littleton? Great area but there are many great areas around Denver metro that might be a bit more affordable (relatively speaking). And if you have no designs to live in the home long term, why not buy something that would provide a better rental situation when you decide to move east? As mentioned above, you won't cashflow a home at $750k with 3% down so buy a townhome or something less expensive that may be a better investment property long term. Or maybe even consider a house hack duplex or something like that? 

 Great feedback @Joe Garretson! Only reason I was considering a 5 year ARM is because it'd offer us a guaranteed 5 years of a lower market rate right now (I'm seeing around 3.8%). If we don't end up selling before the 5 year mark we'd evaluate refinancing into a fixed rate. I know rates are still historically low but I'm also going off a hunch that I think the Federal Reserve will need to cut rates again. If not next year then at least in the next few years. I know mortgage rates aren't completely tied to the Federal funds rate but cutting rates again would impact them.

I completely agree with your assessment of Denver’s market. That’s why my wife and I want to finally get off the sidelines even if it’s not our forever home.

Ken Caryl/Littleton area because that’s where my wife works. I work remotely so I can go wherever but being in that area would help her out a lot. We also like the community down there. We definitely could consider a townhouse or something that might cash flow better so that’s not off the table. I think we’re just looking forward to having a bigger space and a backyard (especially for our dog).

House hacking a duplex would be great but I haven’t seen many duplexes in the market and the ones I have seen were a minimum $800K+. I’d have to run the numbers through that scenario but that sort of mortgage would be hard for us if we couldn’t fill the other side of the duplex. I’m definitely interested in this option if we could make it work though!

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Shiela R.:

Okay @Alex Beaulieu.  Thanks for being open.  To answer your question...I study market cycles as well as historical trends.  Lately, I've been reading and watching youtube videos of and by Ray Dalio.  He has made a pretty sound argument that history repeats itself and it's more layered than we know. I agree, the bull market we've experienced is different than that of the early 2000s. I've also lived in Colorado most of my life and started investing right at the height of things in 1999.  

So, I'm jaded. And conservative. Why? I saw - first hand, people losing their shirts because they were over leveraged. Both my husband and I were laid off at the same time and that was not in our "plan".  I always tell beginners that the market doesn't care what you think but you can learn the market by watching, with an open mind, what is what. 


 Great perspective and honestly being conservative is the best way to go. Are you waiting on the sidelines for now or are implementing any other specific strategies in this hot market?

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Quote from @Shiela R.:

@Alex Beaulieu hello!  Very sound advice here from @James Carlson. There will be tax advantages too.  However, one thing that it sounds like you need to hear is that the market doesn't care about your "plan".  I don't mean to sound harsh but it is widely thought that we are at a top of a market here in the Front Range. Bidding wars, competing with all cash and institutional buyers are still happening in areas like Ken Caryl. Investors never pay retail.  So paying full market price could be a make or break.  What if home values, or just, rent rates fall?  Are you covered?  Appreciation is icing on the cake.  The successful investors I see, buy right, meaning you make your money when you buy.  You just collect it when you sell;)

 Not harsh at all @Shiela R.. That is definitely one of our concerns (buying at a potential market top). But then again if that is the case and 5 years down the line we have minimal equity if the real estate market were to fall several years in a row on the front range (I feel like it’s unlikely in this area but you never know!) we would likely pivot our plan and stay longer or pay the difference on the mortgage payment that the renters portion wouldn’t cover. 

What are your thoughts on the market forecast over the next few years for the front range? Would be interested to hear. I don’t see an event like the 2008/09 housing crash happening. The housing supply is much different now (in much shorter supply) compared to then.

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3
Quote from @James Carlson:

@Alex Beaulieu

Congrats on your impending big choice to buy in the Denver area. I've got clients looking right now in the Ranch Plains area of Ken Caryl. Beautiful homes. Great community. 

You will sign documents at closing where you say that you intend to live in the property. Sounds like that's exactly what you will be doing, so you're fine on that front. If you live in it for a year, no one will stop you from moving out and making it a rental. However, some lenders will balk at you trying to get a second primary residence loan within one year. They may think you were either lying on the previous mortgage or lying about the current one. Two years is a solid amount of time and no lender will blink an eye.

The other thing -- and maybe the biggest thing -- about living in it for 2 years is that it gives you the flexibility to then sell within 5 years and avoid paying 15% capital gains tax on the proceeds. So I would plan on living there for 2 years and then -- if you want to sell at some point in the near future after that -- you do so before the 5 year mark of when you bought it. 

Finding tenants down there shouldn't be a problem. But be aware that you're not likely to cash flow. Most homes in Ken Caryl are in the upper $700k, early $800k range. Even putting 20% down, you're looking at a $4,000 mortgage. Rents for a 5br in that area are probably between $3500-$4,000. So you're really just buying and holding in hopes of appreciation.

I wish you the best in your search. Cheers!

Wow thanks @James Carlson this is great! Yeah we would definitely be staying for a minimum 3 years so no issues with the second primary residence loan. And yes, we’ve understood that the Denver market is tough to cash flow and we’d definitely be leaning more on the appreciation side of things.

I’m sure we’ll probably be approved for $800K+ but we’re hoping to find a 3/4 bedroom house somewhat updated in the 550-650K range. It just seems crazy to me that some homes in that price range aren’t even fully updated.  Great tip on the capital gains taxes within 5 years as well! 

Post: Realistic plan for suburbs of Denver?

Alex BeaulieuPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
  • Posts 7
  • Votes 3

Hey all! My wife and I have been patiently waiting to buy in this crazy Denver market for a while now. We want to buy a primary residence in the Ken Caryl/Littleton area in early spring 2023 with the intent living in it for 3-5 years (most likely closer to 5) and then renting it out completely when we move back to the east coast. 

I believe most lenders are okay with this so long as you live in your primary residence for at least 1-2 years correct? Our intent would be to put 3% down on a 30 year ARM to take advantage of a lower interest rate for the first five years of the mortgage and then potentially refinance to a conventional fixed rate at the end of 5 years if it was favorable to do so. I also believe we won't have to deal with PMI if we go with one particular lender which helps as well.

Does this seem all realistic? It seems like the market in Ken Caryl and Littleton is pretty hot and will be for the next few years. I wouldn’t think we would have any trouble finding tenants once we decide to rent the house out. Thoughts? Thank you!!