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All Forum Posts by: Adrian Jenkins

Adrian Jenkins has started 6 posts and replied 26 times.

Post: AirBNB/STR in Los Angeles/Playa Del Rey Possible?

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Quote from @Rick Albert:

A couple of things:

1. If the property is subject to Los Angeles Rent Control, you can't do STR under any circumstances.

2. The guidelines are strict (which was already mentioned).

3. I'm not sure the numbers really work anymore. Every time I have analyzed a short term opportunity, the cash flow tends to be close to the same as a traditional rental. Keep in mind you are responsible for the utilities, internet, upkeep of furniture, bed sheets, etc. Plus there are the Airbnb fees and some areas have an additional tax. For example I have house hacking clients in Malibu doing STR and the city imposes a 15% gross income tax.

The popular areas (Joshua Tree, Big Bear, etc.) from what I am hearing are over saturated. When there are options, unless your place is extremely special, the only way you can compete is on price. That's not exciting. 

Mid-Term Rentals are generally the same concerns as STR, but you could argue less potential vacancy and if the property is subject to rent control, it is a potential legal workaround.

Most of my investor clients are either house hacking, mid-term, student housing, or traditional rental.


I am coming to the same conclusion as well. Perhaps the only benefit for the STR is the active investment status since it can potentially offset W2 while the mid term or long term cannot. If the revenue for the short term is as much as the long term due to the STR restrictions, maybe the STR strategy wins based on that. However, there are so many nuances such as where does the home owners stay? In the second unit that was a STR but now is owner occupied to meet the IRS requirements etc..

On a Separate note, do you know if a duplex where owner lives in one unit is exempt from rent control in LA? I read this somewhere that the rental can be exempt in this scenario.

Post: AirBNB/STR in Los Angeles/Playa Del Rey Possible?

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Quote from @Chris Strandburg:

Hey everyone. I've followed BP for years but have become serious more recently. I've read multiple books and through some of the forums and blogs. I'm considering doing a short term rental (duplex) in the Playa Del Rey area. From what I've read in the forums, the consensus for STRs in LA seems to be "Don't do it!" 

I think I understand a few of the reasons why (and I'm sure there are many others), but I was curious if anyone is actually making it work. If so, is it sustainable for you? Are you hating your life? Since I've seen some STR listings in the LA beach areas, part of me thinks it might be possible. But I don't know how much pain those hosts are going through. I'd appreciate any tips or insights from anyone--thank you!

 @Chris Strandburg I have a contrarian take on this with a caveat. First thing to know about LA County, except for a few cities (Malibu, Topanga, Long Beach for example), only a primary residence can be utilized as a short-term rental. So, a duplex is not eligible unless you're living in it. If you live in one side and want to STR the other, that won't work because each unit is its own primary residence.

That said, I have clients who have successfully rented out a guest house/ADU in LA on a short-term basis and since they occupy the main residence, they are not bound by the 120 day limit to fulfill the primary residence occupancy requirements.


I thought LA banned ADU's as STR.


It depends. If the STR applicant can demonstrate primary occupancy of the ADU or if the ADU was completed prior to 2017 then the ADU can be used as an STR for 120 days and possibly longer with extended home-sharing approval.


I am not understanding a reasonable strategy here. One buys a house with an ADU built before 2017, makes the ADU their primary residence for whatever the requirement is and then is able to rent out the same ADU for 120 days (or longer if the permit is extended)? The main house stays unoccupied during the time the host stays in the ADU for the min. time requirement?

Post: Short term rental loophole in LA or OC, is it even possible?

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I have seen local CPA's claim they can help offset high W2's with short term rentals here in LA. Since LA has banned STR for more than 90 or 120 days, requires one to live in the property for 9 months or so and ADU's or guesthouses cannnot be used as STR, how does a host pass the Material Involvement test? It is not possible to drive to Big Bear or elsewhere two hours away each time a guest leaves my STR to pass the Material Involvement test.

Anyone doing this successfully in LA?

Post: AirBNB/STR in Los Angeles/Playa Del Rey Possible?

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Quote from @Jason Kudo:
Quote from @Chris Strandburg:

Hey everyone. I've followed BP for years but have become serious more recently. I've read multiple books and through some of the forums and blogs. I'm considering doing a short term rental (duplex) in the Playa Del Rey area. From what I've read in the forums, the consensus for STRs in LA seems to be "Don't do it!" 

I think I understand a few of the reasons why (and I'm sure there are many others), but I was curious if anyone is actually making it work. If so, is it sustainable for you? Are you hating your life? Since I've seen some STR listings in the LA beach areas, part of me thinks it might be possible. But I don't know how much pain those hosts are going through. I'd appreciate any tips or insights from anyone--thank you!

 @Chris Strandburg I have a contrarian take on this with a caveat. First thing to know about LA County, except for a few cities (Malibu, Topanga, Long Beach for example), only a primary residence can be utilized as a short-term rental. So, a duplex is not eligible unless you're living in it. If you live in one side and want to STR the other, that won't work because each unit is its own primary residence.

That said, I have clients who have successfully rented out a guest house/ADU in LA on a short-term basis and since they occupy the main residence, they are not bound by the 120 day limit to fulfill the primary residence occupancy requirements.


I thought LA banned ADU's as STR.

Post: Manhattan Condo and Co ops

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Hi everyone! I am seeing how affordable condos are in Manhattan compared to downtown LA where I live. I had read about the exodus in NY and CA has had its own version last year.

Some of the condos I'm seeing in the MLS as well as Co Ops seem to cash flow based on rent prices. Is there something I'm missing? I have read that Co Ops can be tough to invest in if you want to rent them out. Is this the case for all Co Ops or does it depend on the board? How about condos?

Any thoughts on this market from experienced investors?


Post: 15 year Mortgage with Balloon

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Great! Thank you. My loan officer said we don’t have a way to police who is occupying the property and we wouldn’t know if you didn’t implying I could do an owner occupied loan but I don’t plan on taking that risk. 

Post: 15 year Mortgage with Balloon

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Yeah issue is I went with a credit union assuming they have lower rates. I didn’t realize they don’t do investment property for 30 years. Do most ppl go with bigger banks for a investment property?

Post: 15 year Mortgage with Balloon

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Sorry should have clarified. It’s a 15 year loan amortized as 30 years for a non owner occupied 25% down mortgage.

Post: 15 year Mortgage with Balloon

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I am about to invest in my first 2 bed 2 bathroom townhouse. My bank is offering me a 15 year loan with a balloon at end at 4.65%. Is this a good deal or would you rather go for a 30 year term? 

Post: What Rates are you getting right now? When Should I refi?

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@Sean McCluskey

SFH 20% down 4.1% got approved a week ago, so this was prior to last weeks developments. Can I ask that my bank re-evaluate the rate?