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All Forum Posts by: Adriaan Sierra

Adriaan Sierra has started 5 posts and replied 57 times.

Post: Builders in the Cleveland market

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41
Quote from @James Wise:
Quote from @Adriaan Sierra:

Hi y'all,

It's been a while since I posted here, the market has not been very open for a lot of business as of late.

I am posting here to source your collective expertise. I have an empty lot in the Jefferson area and I would like to build a duplex in it. I am wondering if any of you would have a recommendation for builders in the area. 


Thanks in advance. 


Unless you're right on top of Kamms Corners you can't build a duplex over there for anywhere near it's ARV. Good chance you'd be way underwater.


That's a bummer.  Thanks for the info, I'll check it out when I come there. 

I'll even forgive that you owe me the rent of a tenant for a property we exchanged hands on ;)

Post: Builders in the Cleveland market

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41

Hi y'all,

It's been a while since I posted here, the market has not been very open for a lot of business as of late.

I am posting here to source your collective expertise. I have an empty lot in the Jefferson area and I would like to build a duplex in it. I am wondering if any of you would have a recommendation for builders in the area. 


Thanks in advance. 

Perhaps you should take the fact that you are not able to find a traditional lender as a sign that you are not quite ready to start your investment in RE?

Perhaps something that you won't hear a lot here is that RE is a big commitment of a lot of cash and that with a lot of leverage it can quickly turn against you. 

It might make more sense for you to go to some traditional investment vehicles first and start your RE career further. If anything, it is likely that the opportunities will get better in the future.

Post: What comes first?

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41

I wouldn't optimize on the fronts you are worried about at the moment...

A very thorough report would cost less than 1K and can flag out problems that would cost tens of thousands of dollars. Optimizing your bidding strategy can save you a few Ks as well, but I'd argue you are better off paying full price at a great location rather than saving on this margin at a D neighborhood. 

I wouldn't worry to much about making those type of mistakes, you probably will make a bunch of them, part of the learning curve. Just make sure you buy at a right place and you understand the risks, what would make you be underwater and avoid those risks at all costs. That's what comes first. People that don't do that front and center don't stay in the game.

Post: What comes first?

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41

We usually make offers with contingency on what a house review will show up.

Usually the review focuses on big ticket items (roof, siding, etc) which would affect the price of the house. With that review our team (realtor, PM, us) make the best guess for what repairs would look like and we update prices based on that.  If the new terms are acceptable to both parties you move on to the next phase.

Obviously you don't want your offer to be shopped, but there is not much to do on this end (you could also make an explosive offer yourself, if you so desire). My two cents there is that people are too focused on the price contest aspect of the buying a house. You could optimize that margin to some extent, but that is not where you want to put your efforts. Focus on what prices would work for you and make sure you do not go above that. 

Post: Are people finding it harder to find deals these days?

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Adriaan Sierra:
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Adriaan Sierra:

Just wondering how y'all still managing to find good deals out there. I've had a strong focus on West Cleveland, with an appreciation component on my play (e.g. Lakewood) and the last quarter we only close on one property. This is the lowest number we had since we started. 

All of the available inventory is way outside our buy box, and I recently saw a MF sold for twice what our highest bid would have been.  Most of the deals that are currently available for MF on the regions where I buy would have you at negative cashflow. Last year, we were aiming for a 10% cash on cash at a minimum. 

All to say, who are the crazy people that are buying at these prices / rates !?  I cannot understand most of the current buys unless you plan to house hack or something like that. 

Just curious if you are seeing the same pattern. 


 I can get as many as I want, BTW, BIG mistake focusing just on the west side, not a good strategy. 


 oh?

do tell :)

 Over the last 10 years, GH, MH, WH. CH, Euclid, Lee Harvard have doubled tripled or more. East Cleveland also has doubled at least. EC is about to grow just like UC did. 10 years ago it was a war zone around the Clinic, now try finding anything under 100k.We are trying to buy as much as we can there. just no inventory. I did pick up a 7 unit last week, and a SF behind the RTA last month, but want more just cant find anything. Again why focus on one area when it seems all of Cleveland and the burbs have skyrocketed on top of the 25% or more ( 6. 7 years ago ) net caps? 

Watch what happens with EC over the next 5 years , ( in certain areas, ) again we are buying everything we can. Already have an 81 unit there. We were told we were crazy 7 years ago. Well we are now turning down 3x what was paid, so who was crazy :) 

All the best 

 nah fam. You just underestimate how much of a tin-foil hat, chicken little type I am :D

I'm pretty happy with my risk adjusted returns so far.  All I see on this forum is people buying headaches that will come either from the PM or tenants. All I know is that today my cashflow is about to meet my expenses, so I don't really need to work anymore.

Could I be better off by buying on C-D neighborhood? sure. Are we going to own significant portions of Cleveland? Probably not.

There is also this chance that we might pick up more inventory in the next few years, when all the people that are FOMOing now are underwater...

Post: Are people finding it harder to find deals these days?

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41
Quote from @Bob Stevens:
Quote from @Adriaan Sierra:

Just wondering how y'all still managing to find good deals out there. I've had a strong focus on West Cleveland, with an appreciation component on my play (e.g. Lakewood) and the last quarter we only close on one property. This is the lowest number we had since we started. 

All of the available inventory is way outside our buy box, and I recently saw a MF sold for twice what our highest bid would have been.  Most of the deals that are currently available for MF on the regions where I buy would have you at negative cashflow. Last year, we were aiming for a 10% cash on cash at a minimum. 

All to say, who are the crazy people that are buying at these prices / rates !?  I cannot understand most of the current buys unless you plan to house hack or something like that. 

Just curious if you are seeing the same pattern. 


 I can get as many as I want, BTW, BIG mistake focusing just on the west side, not a good strategy. 


 oh?

do tell :)

Post: Existing tenant month to month

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41

Overall, good communication is key. There might be a good middle ground for both parties. If not, I'm sure they will leave without bad feelings.

I would get a estoppel stating the rent. Always helpful to have things on paper

Post: Cleveland Heat Maps

Adriaan SierraPosted
  • Investor
  • Cleveland
  • Posts 58
  • Votes 41

Not that I'm aware of, but the guide still pretty relevant from what I can see