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All Forum Posts by: Adam W.

Adam W. has started 2 posts and replied 12 times.

Post: Bought FIRST property with business partner!! Start a new LLC?

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Originally posted by @Anthony Wick:

@Adam W.

First, getting sued by a tenant (and losing) isn't likely, and getting sued for anything beyond what insurance would cover is very unlikely. Yes, I recommend not violating rental laws. You'd be better off getting a $1 mil umbrella insurance policy than paying an attorney to set up an LLC for every property.

How much is your attorney charging you to set up each LLC? Now, I did say unless you're buying apartment complexes. My duplexes are about $250-300k each. Having 3 in the same LLC is about $850k worth of property. And, are you buying with cash? I'd say a better question to ask is how much equity should I have in each LLC?

Anthony,

I'm sure you understand that when you say "unlikely" I still see it as a risk that, no matter how unlikely, I need to protect myself against. However you make a good point, and I would look into the cost of setting up an insurance policy like you mentioned so we would not need an LLC for each.

In some cases the properties will be paid for in cash.  Others via loan.  I appreciate your comments!

Post: Bought FIRST property with business partner!! Start a new LLC?

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Originally posted by @Anthony Wick:

@Adam W.

I pretty much didn’t do anything that your lawyer is advising.

I formed the LLC with two unrelated partners before closing on any rentals. Then the LLC (with personal guarantees from partners) bought the rentals with bank financing. And a completely separate bank account was opened for the LLC. Absolutely no mixing of personal funds for this partnership. We also plan on owning 3-5 properties in the LLC before opening another LLC. Waste of money to keep opening LLC's for every property, unless you're buying apartment complexes.

Out of curiosity, have you already purchased a property in the partnership? If so, is there no legal paperwork to address any disputes and/or a buy/sell agreement?

Anthony,

Thanks for the reply. Out of curiosity why are you planning on owning 3-5 properties in each LLC? Why do you say it's a waste of money to have one per property? In the event of an incident and say, the tenant attempts to sue the LLC.....aren't ALL properties you have in the LLC then at risk (since you have anywhere from 1-5 properties that a judge can use as collateral), as opposed to having the risk limited to a single property?

We are in the process of negotiating loan terms with the bank right now (points vs no points - if you have suggestions on this please let me know), but I was not sure that any legal paperwork could ultimately protect a judge from using the other properties in your LLC should the tenant sue.


Thanks, 

Post: Bought FIRST property with business partner!! Start a new LLC?

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Hello again!

I spoke with a lawyer and was advised to open an LLC for each individual property I own to help protect against any legal or tenant troubles/accidents that may occur. I was also told that we should close on the property before moving it into the LLC.

Thanks!  Any other info please pitch in!

Post: Bought FIRST property with business partner!! Start a new LLC?

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Hi there,

My friend and I finally purchased our first real estate property.  Single family condo unit we will rent out indefinitely.

Since the price of the unit was so low (~$250k), we decided to take out at mortgage at 4.65%. We estimate being able to rent for $2400-$2500 which should net an acceptable cash-on-cash ROI, etc.

My question is involving joint ownership and LLCs. I currently own a personal LLC from which I accept payments for house remodelings I do.

Now I could:

  • A) open a separate checking account under that LLC, have my partner sign as a joint-owner, and then we can collect rent and do business under that separate checking account.
  • OR....B) we start a new LLC and put the property under that.

What do you suggest is the best route?

  • If (B), would we start the LLC now, move all the downpayment money into it, and then proceed with the transaction as through the LLC?
    • --OR do we  proceed with the purchase of property under joint ownership, THEN move it into the LLC after the keys are in our hand?

Furthermore for subsequent property purchases, should we be starting new LLCs for each property we purchase, or keep them all under the first LLC that we started?

Thanks so much and looking forward to learning about this part of the process!!

Post: BRRRR w/bulk cash Investment, OR Standard 20%/30yr mortgage?

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@Kevin Sobilo makes total sense.  And even if you're buying that property with 300k for cash, no renovation could raise the value enough to produce enough additional equity to take out at refinance.  Thanks.

Post: BRRRR w/bulk cash Investment, OR Standard 20%/30yr mortgage?

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Originally posted by @Kevin Sobilo:

@Adam W., this doesn't look like a BRRRR deal to me at all. You are only increasing the value of the property a VERY small amount. So, I don't see where you would have any real equity in 6-12 months to pull out on a refi. In addition, doing 2 loans (one to buy and one to refi) is costly as well.

This is a typical bread and butter BRRRR deal in my area. Buy 3 bedroom single family fixer in a C class neighborhood for $20k cash. Invest $20k rehabbing it into a B class property. Rent it for $800-900 per month. It should appraise for $60-80k. Refinance out 75% of maybe 70k which gives you $52,500 cash to go do the next deal while the property still cash flows well.

 Thanks Kevin!

- it seems one of the best guidelines for identifying BRRRR opportunities would be the 70% rule.

Unfortunately everything in my area operates at a higher base money level, as property costs can get expensive around here. So you really have to look for some deals.

If you were looking at things from an ROI perspective, is there a minimum percentage you would aim to achieve? Or would you focus more on the cash flow and cash-on-cash?

Thanks,

Post: Any interest in a Fairfield County CT Meetup?

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Hi @Bogdan Constantin Stefanide, I tried connecting with you.  Please add me to your distribution [email protected]

Thanks,

Post: BRRRR w/bulk cash Investment, OR Standard 20%/30yr mortgage?

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Last try!  Any insight would be appreciated!

Post: BRRRR w/bulk cash Investment, OR Standard 20%/30yr mortgage?

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Just moving this up in hopes it gets seen!

Post: Newbie looking to connect with others in Norwalk/Fairfield

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I am in this area as well!