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All Forum Posts by: Adam Huss

Adam Huss has started 3 posts and replied 16 times.

Post: no money down deals

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Tom Mole:

@Adam Huss, so, you're not doing NMD deals with these properties at this point, right? 

When a the arbitrage is low you need to keep the money you have in the deal very low. Think seller finance. Get your evergreen funders to provide any gap you need to fill, but mostly get the seller to carry. 

On the exit consider a Sales-Lease Option(SLO). Look for buyers with bad credit, but enough money for a down payment. You take the down as an option fee, then rent to them at something above market rent (at least enough to cover your financing) and you make the buyer-tenant responsible for taxes, insurance and repairs (triple net). You set the option price at something above current market value. Don't be greedy, but make it worth your time.

This is of course just the high points. There are entire guru courses on this strategy, but I want to get you thinking. There are other methods as well, but this is the "bread and butter" method.

So, why would the buyer agree to these "ugly" terms? Because he can't qualify to buy with a bank loan and his wife has indicated that she and the kids will move in with the sexy guy down the street if he doesn't find a way to buy a house for the family. He's motivated!

Main point is this, when you have to buy at near market, don't use your own money. Use the seller's dough and credit. We could drill down on the details if needs be. Just wanna get your feedback first.

Cheers!!

 Your're right, I'm not doing NMD on these deals. I like the SLO and have been learning more about that, but how successful is that with multi-family properties? Are there strategies that work better with multis rather than SFRs? It sounds like in either case you need that well-below-market deal to ensure the NMD makes sense

Post: no money down deals

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Adam Huss:
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Adam Huss:

Hi @Joe Villeneuve,

Do you have any strategies for no money down buy & hold deals where the ARV isn't going to be that much higher than the total property cost... maybe only 10-15% higher? I'm buying in an area that is gentrifying so, while the properties cash flow positive, the sweetness of the deal could really be made by appreciation over then next 5 years or so. I know I could refinance after a year of seasoning, assuming the property gets to the needed LTV i guess, but I'd like to get into other properties during that year. Any ideas?

Thanks for all the great advice on here!

Adam Huss

 Give me an example.  Shoot me some numbers of a sample property.

 Ok, these are based on a deal I'm considering. let's say I can purchase a property for 75k, it needs about 25k in repairs, but it's only worth 115k afterwards. 

And though I'm speculating, there's a good chance that in 5 years it could be worth 150k. Meanwhile it's cash flowing at about $100/ month.

Is that enough info?

 Is that $100/month with or without a loan on the property?

 That would be with a loan on the property. 

Post: no money down deals

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:
Originally posted by @Adam Huss:

Hi @Joe Villeneuve,

Do you have any strategies for no money down buy & hold deals where the ARV isn't going to be that much higher than the total property cost... maybe only 10-15% higher? I'm buying in an area that is gentrifying so, while the properties cash flow positive, the sweetness of the deal could really be made by appreciation over then next 5 years or so. I know I could refinance after a year of seasoning, assuming the property gets to the needed LTV i guess, but I'd like to get into other properties during that year. Any ideas?

Thanks for all the great advice on here!

Adam Huss

 Give me an example.  Shoot me some numbers of a sample property.

 Ok, these are based on a deal I'm considering. let's say I can purchase a property for 75k, it needs about 25k in repairs, but it's only worth 115k afterwards. 

And though I'm speculating, there's a good chance that in 5 years it could be worth 150k. Meanwhile it's cash flowing at about $100/ month.

Is that enough info?

Post: no money down deals

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

Hi @Joe Villeneuve,

Do you have any strategies for no money down buy & hold deals where the ARV isn't going to be that much higher than the total property cost... maybe only 10-15% higher? I'm buying in an area that is gentrifying so, while the properties cash flow positive, the sweetness of the deal could really be made by appreciation over then next 5 years or so. I know I could refinance after a year of seasoning, assuming the property gets to the needed LTV i guess, but I'd like to get into other properties during that year. Any ideas?

Thanks for all the great advice on here!

Adam Huss

Post: Looking for financial ideas for first flip in Pennsylvania

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

hi @Kris McGinty

This thread looks like it is getting a little old, but I noticed you had lots of questions and not all of them got answered. Please feel free to contact me with any questions. I invest in Franklin County, PA and have several ideas for you. Also, just make sure you are calculating all of your closing costs and carrying costs into your flip in addition to the rehab and purchase costs. 

Adam Huss

Post: Subject To in Los Angeles

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

@Adam Phebus  you're right, and I agree with you... Especially about west and central LA. That's why I said the hardest thing would be to find the seller. Conditions are slightly different in east and south LA... And possibly more conducive to sub 2. I also think LA is plateauing. You're in Beverly Hills, so that's always going to be its own market, and the westside in general. But I see the heat cooling a bit in the wage earner neighborhoods. I'm looking at margins in south & east and the values have definitely rebounded, but they are not going much higher, so the ARVs aren't always high enough for good flips any more.  Depending on the deal you find a sub 2 could be just as good if not better return for much less work.

Post: Subject To in Los Angeles

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

hi Melissa,

I'm thinking the same thing, and I think it could work. The advantage for us investors is that we could likely get the property under contract for much less than if we tried to buy a house with cash and traditional financing.

The problem is not how to do it, but finding a seller willing to part with their house for below market value before anyone else does. You will likely be looking for a seller who is in distress... Just lost their job or something  equally disruptive to their income. 

So let's say you find such a seller, and their house would be worth 500k in rehabbed condition, but it could use 100k worth of work... It's got a lot of deferred maintenance. They owe 350, and are happy for you to take over payments for a relatively small upfront cash fee, say 25k. Or you might just pay off their past due balance. Obviously you should negotiate to spend as little cash as possible.

Great, so you sign a subject to mortgage contract with them, the house becomes yours in deed, and you take over payments of the mortgage.  You immediately market the house at 425k as a fixer worth over 500. Depending on the buyer this attracts, you might just sell it for cash or traditional financing to an investor or owner occupant who is willing to live in it while fixing it up to get the sweat equity. Or you might structure a wrap around mortgage or lease option, where you get monthly payments over what you owe to cover the mortgage plus a down payment or option fee that covers the fee you paid the seller plus. The buyers on the ends of these deals are usually going to lack credit history or have bad credit, but should have great cash reserves and income... You'll need to be careful when you qualify them.

The point is that you potentially get 20% down on 425k home, 85k, plus a potential monthly cash flow. And your up front investment was 25k. 

That's the theory at least. The hardest part is finding that seller. In LA it takes a lot of hustle and selling, and at the end of the day the margins may be small... So a lot of work for a smallish return.  I haven't been able to do this yet. 

There is of course the risk, with subject to, that the bank will call the loan. Most investors will tell you that seldom happens, but the folks I've heard from who have been in this game since the 70s have been around when the interest rates rose dramatically. When that happens the banks may very well decide to call the loans. It all depends on whether having a performing asset is as valuable to them as the percentage they are losing by letting you pay off an older loan with below current rates... Probably prefer the performing asset if the new rate is only .5 percent higher, but what if the rates climb to 2, 3, or 4 percent higher than current? Then is it worth their while to deal with a potential foreclosure? Something to consider. And the Fed seems to be in the slow process of raising the rate.

To learn more about the how, which has a lot of complications, check out BP podcast #70 with Grant Kemp, and I'd recommend the book Making Big Money Investing in Foreclosures without cash or credit, by Peter Conti.

Post: Newbie from Hagerstown Maryland

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

hi @Jessica Dreisonstok, @Devonte Dinkins

Could any of you recommend a great contractor you've worked with in Hagerstown? I'm looking at a fixer downtown, and want to get some recs in preparation.

Thanks!

Adam Huss

Post: 6 Big Challenges to Out-of-State Investing

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

If you are considering out of state investing, please check out my new blog post and let me know your thoughts:

https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/7956/48618-6-b...

Thanks!

Post: Flipping in Los Angeles?

Adam HussPosted
  • Real Estate Agent
  • Los Angeles, CA
  • Posts 16
  • Votes 2

great ideas,  Steve L. Thanks, yes, I'm realizing finding a deal may be the hardest thing right now.