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All Forum Posts by: Adam Berlinberg

Adam Berlinberg has started 10 posts and replied 21 times.

Post: Guidance Starting Out

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18

I am looking to get started in real estate investing, and looking for guidance. I am not looking to replace my regular job, but rather long term growth with shorter term cash flow. I am lucky that my wife and I do well, with an average income of $500-600k. I am in one very solid commercial syndication right now. I have about 75-80% of my investments in the stock market in one way or another and looking to diversify. We have a primary residence with around $350-400k in equity and no plans to move. I have around $60k in the bank right now, but could get that quite a bit higher if needed over the next few months. HCOL area that is difficult to find cash flowing rentals. Out of state rentals? Multifamily? Stick with commercial syndications? My thought is start building a portfolio of single and multi family rentals (probably out of state just because I'm in one of the hottest markets), and just grind by adding. I think I could do 2-5 houses a year with savings. Keep scaling up aggressively? Tap into our home equity for more of a jump start?

Post: Buying new primary residence, rent out current one?

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Eric DeNardo:

@Adam Berlinberg, It depends on your goals! If you hold onto the property, as rents continue to rise, you will be cash flowing more and building more equity! Your return on equity may be low though and you could complete a 1031 exchange and buy multiplex. I'd love to talk with you more about what your personal goals are to help guide your decision-making! 

Eric,
I’m in Denver as well, would be interested in hearing some thoughts. We are in the SE Denver suburbs.

Post: Buying new primary residence, rent out current one?

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18

We have a SFH that we have lived in for four years, and looking to move a few miles away into a better school district as the kids are reaching elementary age (and homeless issues, and neighborhood not as great as it used to be). We have about $350,000-400,000 in equity in the house (very hot market), and our rate is 3.1%. If we can swing the cash for a down payment on the new house, is it worth keeping the current one and renting? Not a ton of rentals in the area, but still a very nice neighborhood and comps would be a cash flow of $700-800 a month (minus property management). Not sure if it is easier or better these days to just take the tax free equity and not worry about it, or if hanging on to a low rate SFH is worth it these days. High income household and involved in syndicates but no individual investment properties owned (though interested).

Post: Newbie tax benefits question

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Ray Hage:
Quote from @Adam Berlinberg:
Quote from @Ray Hage:

Since it is not going to be your full time gig.... one of the biggest tax savings is depreciation. For residential property, it is depreciated over 29.5 years so let's make the math easy. You buy a property for 295000. Each year you 'lose' 10000 in depreciation but it’s a little more than that since it includes all the costs of acquiring the property. Another big deduction is mortgage interest. It doesn't go against your active income..but if you can get a few properties, you don't end up paying much in taxes because on paper, your income is low....but you get great cashflow. I am a realtor but really I am more of an investor

What does depreciation go against? Just that net cash flow that is income on paper? Or against my total AGI as a deduction in taxes like my student loan interest or primary residence mortgage interest? If that is the case, wouldn’t 10-15 or whatever properties at $10k or so totally negate taxable income for the year entirely? Maybe I’m thinking about that wrong

So here's how it would work with a very simplified example. All numbers are per year. You collect 30k in rent, all your expenses like property tax, maintenance, cutting the lawn, property insurance, mortgage interest (principal is not an expense), utilities, etc. amount to 20k....so this means that you made 10k in profit, right? Wrong! You still need to account for depreciation for another 10k in expenses so now you made 0... and no income taxes to be paid because you broke even this year. Note that if this became a negative number, it doesn't go against any other type of income like your W-2 active income or your 1099. So if you have a few RE investments, then, yes a loss will go against the ones that turned a on-paper profit.

But wait, there's more! The downside....you will need to pay back 25% of that depreciation expense eventually when you sell it. So if you held it for 10 years. 10k * 10 = 100k *25% = 25k is what you will owe Uncle Sam. I am not an accountant/CPA so this is just really simplified for you to understand how it works. I let a CPA do my taxes because I don't want to make a mistake in filing.


Thanks for explaining. Nowadays it's hard to find things that cash flow well due to housing prices and interest rates. Looking across a lot of different markets, not much in the SFH world is generating more than a few thousand a year. I guess I don't see much of the tax benefits expect not paying taxes on the couple thousand that is generated in cash flow (which can be really helpful if you have a ton of properties). Maybe it's just the market we're in now where making monthly cash isn't as feasible.

Post: Newbie tax benefits question

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Ray Hage:

Since it is not going to be your full time gig.... one of the biggest tax savings is depreciation. For residential property, it is depreciated over 29.5 years so let's make the math easy. You buy a property for 295000. Each year you 'lose' 10000 in depreciation but it’s a little more than that since it includes all the costs of acquiring the property. Another big deduction is mortgage interest. It doesn't go against your active income..but if you can get a few properties, you don't end up paying much in taxes because on paper, your income is low....but you get great cashflow. I am a realtor but really I am more of an investor

What does depreciation go against? Just that net cash flow that is income on paper? Or against my total AGI as a deduction in taxes like my student loan interest or primary residence mortgage interest? If that is the case, wouldn’t 10-15 or whatever properties at $10k or so totally negate taxable income for the year entirely? Maybe I’m thinking about that wrong

Post: Newbie tax benefits question

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18

I'm new into the world of real estate and close to getting my first rental property. I'm still confused on tax benefits and looking for some assistance. I'm a high earning W2 household ($400k), and I also have around $75k 1099 income annually. Say I get a SFH that cash flows $200-300 a month, what are the tax benefits? How does depreciation and expenses (mortgage interest, property manager, etc) help? It's not against W2 or 1099 income in this scenario? Purely against the passive $2500ish a year net cash flow to zero it out? Thanks

Post: First 6 Unit

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18

Looking at a 6 unit rental as my first multi-family. HCOL city using 30 year commercial loan fixed at 6.5%. Total cost $1.15 million with 25% down. All units currently occupied and is in a trendy part of town in which occupancy hasn't been an issue. Current collected rent is at $86,000, and is under market. Getting up to market will bring it around $93,000. Owner responsible for water and trash. Taxes are $5500 on current value, and insurance around $2400 for the year. Big ticket items including roof updated within past few years. I'm getting it around a 7% cap and 7% COC. Seems like a pretty good deal? Am I missing something? Will probably go into it with a partner as I just tied up a bunch of cash on a syndication and am stretching a bit.

Post: Realtor seems wrong?

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Russell Brazil:
Quote from @Adam Berlinberg:

I am in the process of getting my first residential deal, and just making sure I’m not doing something wrong. I think my realtor is and just trying to sell as quickly as possible. Duplex in VHCOL city listed at $849,000. Just dropped $50k, which is the first red flag as things go quick. Current rent in one half is $2750, other side vacant. Market rent is around $3000 each side ($6k total). I am doing conventional 30 year with 20% down at 7% rate. No utilities. Taxes were $3550 last year, insurance about $200 a month. Property management around 9%.  I’m getting that to be about a 5% cap and -1% cash on cash. He is somehow getting 10% cash on cash and says it’s a winner. He also says you can’t including reserves for vacancy or maintenance and that is old school, again just making sure I’m not missing something. I think this one is a hard pass, he thinks it’s gold, just looking for outside advice.


 Reserves are not a factor in cash on cash. Vacancy is only a factor in cash on cash when it actually happens. 

Not a factor in cash on cash, but how is it not for the cap rate? 

Post: Realtor seems wrong?

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18

I am in the process of getting my first residential deal, and just making sure I’m not doing something wrong. I think my realtor is and just trying to sell as quickly as possible. Duplex in VHCOL city listed at $849,000. Just dropped $50k, which is the first red flag as things go quick. Current rent in one half is $2750, other side vacant. Market rent is around $3000 each side ($6k total). I am doing conventional 30 year with 20% down at 7% rate. No utilities. Taxes were $3550 last year, insurance about $200 a month. Property management around 9%.  I’m getting that to be about a 5% cap and -1% cash on cash. He is somehow getting 10% cash on cash and says it’s a winner. He also says you can’t including reserves for vacancy or maintenance and that is old school, again just making sure I’m not missing something. I think this one is a hard pass, he thinks it’s gold, just looking for outside advice.

Post: Apartment complex financing

Adam BerlinbergPosted
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver CO
  • Posts 21
  • Votes 18
Quote from @Carter Bennett:


Quote from @Adam Berlinberg:
I don’t own other real estate besides my primary house, I have been ready to jump in and just got pre approval last week on the residential side. This apartment complex has had 100% occupancy the past few years. My father in law is in commercial real estate and I can assemble a good team around me if needed, but trying to do it somewhat independently.
Adam, I think I get what you are saying here. Putting that aside I just wanted to say: make sure you validate your revenue/cost assumptions and escalators thoroughly. Every person on BP is pulling data and perspectives from other people on actual costs, rents, and trending assumptions and then drawing their own conclusions. Could be father in law or someone else trying to win future business. The maths are simple but variances with a 32x multiplier can be material--esp. compounded YoY. Thats for Ops. For rehab, you def want input it if its going big--there's process, schedule, and GCcontract/loan term stuff that is a little more dependent on experience to reach the a solid conclusion.

N.B. I don't know anything about Denver/CO so this is not an opinion on the stated terms.

I don't have answers on debt per se., I think the key is going to be finding a lender/product that is ok with your experience--your owner/operator resume. If they are good with that they might be able to spit ball how to solve for any rehab stuff. I've never worked with them, but I've heard that credit unions are more flexible and no two are alike. Generally, CUs have different business motivations and different regulatory constraints than banks leading to a wider range of requirements/products. And they are interested in relationships like regional banks... might give you a bit more time if you hit a wall with brokers.

Totally fair. I have rent roll and expense data the past few years. A large remodel as done a few years ago, so not huge upgrades that need to be done now. Of course lots of issues and upgrades will come along. Having a good property manager will be helpful with that. Luckily I have a high paying job and can absorb a fair amount, then finding financing as needed.