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All Forum Posts by: Abtahee Ali

Abtahee Ali has started 3 posts and replied 11 times.

Hi everyone! I recently moved to Louisville, KY about two months ago. I am looking to get into my first property and am wondering if any investment clubs meet on a weekly or monthly basis. Thank you! 

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Hi! I am a new investor and I am looking to purchase my first property. I am looking into Louisville since I will be moving there. I have been researching the Louisville housing market and have found mixed reviews. I am wondering what are your thoughts on the Louisville market. Thank you in advance! 

In Louisville I would do the (BOMSTSLO) Method.
"Buy Off Market", using "Subject To" selling on "Lease Option" (BOMSTSLO) format.
https://www.biggerpockets.com/forums/311/topics/1161290-spre...
The cash flow is great and you get the "down payment" up front. And it doesn't take up a lot of your time. No property manager needed and you can offset your income with tax deductions. 

 Thank you for your help! I will be looking further into this method and the forum you have linked as well.

Quote from @Chuck B.:

I’m a long time Louisville landlord. The biggest mistake I see today is out of state investors trying to force $2000+ rents on what should be a $1400 (3br) neighborhood. Maybe the house cost too much, or they put too much into the renovation, or both… so they feel compelled to hit their target return on what should have been a more modest house/base to begin with. You can get 2000-3000 rents in lots of places in Louisville, but not in ALL the neighborhoods. There’s a huge need in Louisville for affordable housing if you can provide a quality (3br) product for $1200-$1400 per month. You have to buy it right and not go crazy on the renovation budget. The other mistake is that they have no criteria for good tenants, so they rent to people that will cause nothing but problems in the future. The FICO score is the best indicator you’ll have of how much someone has their act together. 


 Thank you for your input! I have seen on Zillow that a lot of places that have been listed for rent for more than 60+ days are high in price compared to others. Are you primarily renting out single-family homes or are invested in multi-family homes? As this would be my first investment, I have been focused on multi-family homes but am open to single-family homes as well. If you are available, I would appreciate grabbing coffee to speak further about the Louisville investor market. Again, thank you! 

Quote from @Rob Bergeron:

I generally am a believer in forcing appreciation to insulate yourself from risk and future overhead. Our market has tons of opportunities and great people to help you get there. I believe our market is undervalued by 20%-30% relative to our peer cities. Take educated action! Happy to plug you in to my infrastructure. 


 Hi! Thank you for your feedback. I have been looking at a few Multi-family homes to purchase. I am looking for more cash flow than a major appreciation investment. Louisville prices are appealing compared to my current market. I am still doing my due diligence but it is great to get input from investors who are invested in the Louisville market.

Are you located in Louisville? I will be moving there in January. If you are available for coffee to further discuss Louisville real estate, let me know! Thank you for your help!

Hi! I am a new investor and I am looking to purchase my first property. I am looking into Louisville since I will be moving there. I have been researching the Louisville housing market and have found mixed reviews. I am wondering what are your thoughts on the Louisville market. Thank you in advance! 

Post: House Hacking multiple times?

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Quote from @Josh Green:
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Hi! New to real estate investing. My partner and I are looking to house hack. We are wondering if we can use an FHA loan twice if the first house hack is put solely under my name and the second will be under hers. Thank you!


Personally, I think the conventional loan route is much better. With a 5% down conventional loan, you're able to get out of paying MI without an appraisal or refinance once you hit the 20% equity mark with just a broker's opinion of value (~$400). FHA, you have to hold onto that for 11 yrs or refinance, which will cost a few thousand. Next, this market is highly competitive. Buyer demand is actually up 60% right now YoY and supply is down 20% according to NAR (and last year, Tampa was considered 2022's hottest market in the US). The only real reason I see FHA being viable, is to be able to put down less on a multi-family property. However, there are a few issues with that:

1) MFRs here are extremely low in inventory and thus the competition is fierce. Any duplex that potentially makes sense with minimum down is going to need to be under $350k. Duplexes priced this low I see go in typically 48 hours or less and often times cash or over asking price. An FHA offer is just not going to come close to competing.

2) MFRs again are priced 9.9/10 times too high to make the numbers make sense + 9.9/10 times there are leases in place that make it non-financeable for an owner-occupant like yourself.

3) MFRs that do come close to break-even or slightly positive are typically in C class or worse areas. For house-hackers, I've found this to be a major barrier for them as they simply won't put themselves into an ugly, somewhat distressed MFR in a ghetto neighborhood surrounded by other MFRs/renters.

Now, there are occasionally unicorns but in the past 12 months I've been looking I've seen fewer and fewer.  They also go super fast and expect to have a bidding war on them so make sure you're pre-qualified and have the best loan terms you can get.  @Ray (above) is a lender i've done a lot of deals with and he can close extremely fast.  Recently we beat out a cash offer for a house-hacker because we can close faster than they can.

I remember when I first moved here, my wife and I were so determined to continue rinse/repeating the house-hack method by buying MFRs. We quickly realized how poor that market is here and pivoted. In my opinion, there are 2 other house-hacking options that are more lucrative and less competitive. One of those requires a little more cash on hand and the other does not, but both can utilize a minimum down conventional offering and work well. In this market, you have to be more creative than ever to make a profit. Real Estate margins will always trend toward decreasing margins as the herd mentality brings saturation to the old-school methods (FHA house-hack a MFR for example). Luckily, this market has it's strengths still and I much rather be in a high growth, high appreciation market where deals are harder to find than a stagnant one with "good" cash flow percentages left and right. Long-term investors know appreciation will make way more money for an investor than cashflow ever will and Tampa Bay is arguably top market for investors wanting appreciation over the next 10-15 years.


 Thank you for this information, Josh! We have been looking at MFH and they usually off markets within hours as you said. My partner and I are still gathering more information and learning about real estate and being a landlord. I would love to stay in touch as we are looking to purchase our first MFH early next year! 

Post: House Hacking multiple times?

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Quote from @Kevin Coco-Senyszyn:
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Yes, Absolutley you can do this. You will just need to live in the first househack for 1yr and your good to move to the next one! best of luck to you. 


Why sell it? Keep it as a rental and avoid the tax hit and closing costs altogether. Let your spouse use their FHA loan to purchase your second primary residence, then rent out the first. Eventually, you'll need to refinance or sell, but you can take a capital gains exclusion if you live in the property for 2 of the past 5 years.


 Great idea. I definitely would not sell. I am looking to be a long term investor. Refinancing seems like it is a great option! 

Post: House Hacking multiple times?

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Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Abtahee Ali:

Hi! New to real estate investing. My partner and I are looking to house hack. We are wondering if we can use an FHA loan twice if the first house hack is put solely under my name and the second will be under hers. Thank you!


My wife and I are on our 5th house hack. It is a great way to get started. If you guys are married then you can only get one loan under FHA every 2 or 5 years. I would talk to a lender. On one of our house hacks though I found an even better loan by calling around to as many lenders as I could find. I always recommend doing that when you are starting out or even if you are experienced. The more you ask the more options will come your way.


 
Oh wow, so we are able to use a FHA loan every 2-5 years depending on lender?


You can only have one FHA loan out at a time. If you sell or refinance the property you can use an FHA again. I know many people that have done that but have never heard this 2 or 5 year rule before. Ask a lender!


Thank you! Good to know if I refinance I can use FHA again.

Post: House Hacking multiple times?

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Quote from @Steven Foster Wilson:
Quote from @Abtahee Ali:

Hi! New to real estate investing. My partner and I are looking to house hack. We are wondering if we can use an FHA loan twice if the first house hack is put solely under my name and the second will be under hers. Thank you!


My wife and I are on our 5th house hack. It is a great way to get started. If you guys are married then you can only get one loan under FHA every 2 or 5 years. I would talk to a lender. On one of our house hacks though I found an even better loan by calling around to as many lenders as I could find. I always recommend doing that when you are starting out or even if you are experienced. The more you ask the more options will come your way.


 
Oh wow, so we are able to use a FHA loan every 2-5 years depending on lender?

Post: House Hacking multiple times?

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Thank you so much, Austen, Ryan, and Jeremy! I appreciate the help. Excited to start my RE journey!