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All Forum Posts by: Abraham Lowy

Abraham Lowy has started 4 posts and replied 17 times.

Post: dose the 70 percent role still exists ?

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Crystal Smith:
Quote from @Abraham Lowy:

my story begins for about 7 mounts ago when  i had 200 k to invest .                         i was looking for a fix and flip deal so i asked my broker for that, and he brought a deal, claiming that that's should be a good deal ,     i bought it , and now now we finally getting finish with the rehabbing , and it looks like we will end up putting in like 80k.      so when i started making the calculation i see that ill not make to much money out of it .                                    lets do the numbers ..   i bought it for 140k  i put in in rehabbing 80k , i then paid 5k for someone to manage the construction,    property tax, water and sewer is like 5k ,  so we are now  everything together at 90k.          now the selling price should be at around 260k , lets deduct 6 percent realter fees for selling it is another 15k so i should be left with 15k.       so of course that deal didn't meet the 70 percent role  but my broker claims that the role dose not exists any more in this market .          so i would like to ask what you guys thing about that,               am i right that the role still exists or is my broker right that the role dose not exists anymore  ?


We've always thought of the 70% rule as a lender's number. Many private or Hard Money Lenders will lend 65 to 70% of the ARV. If the lender is forced to foreclose there's still enough value left in the hard asset for them to potentially profit.

Most investors we work with, including on our own investments, craft offers based on their own internal return on investment criteria & strategy. Did you know going into the deal what the ARV, cost to renovate, hold and sell?


 i bought it for 140k, my broker told me that 60k should me the renovation , arv 260k ,   and told me that i shouldnt take hard money loan so i dont pay closing cost and intrest , and i also should not take insurance so i don't pay another 150 a mount 

Post: dose the 70 percent role still exists ?

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

It still exists, you just have to find the motivation. Divorce, death in the family, foreclosure. You need to find desperate sellers to buy 30% under market  


 great .  but  how do i find ?

Post: dose the 70 percent role still exists ?

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Marty Boardman:
Quote from @Abraham Lowy:
Quote from @Marty Boardman:

I agree with @J Scott about the 70% rule, I'm not a fan of it either.

It's unlikely that the seller would have accepted your offer of $97,000. That's 43K below their asking price. And 7 months ago when you bought this house it was a seller's market.

A simpler approach is to determine what's the minimum amount of profit you're willing to earn on the project? As a general rule, I want to make a minimum of 10% profit on the total amount invested in the deal. You purchased the property for 140K and have 90K in the rehab and holding costs for a net of 230K. That would be a 23K profit. 

Keep in mind, I said 10% as the minimum. I actually write my offers and/or bid on houses with a 15% target.

I think the 70% rule still exists, it's just that most investors don't follow it because if they did they wouldn't get their offers accepted.

You mentioned the selling price should be around 260K. When are you putting the house on the market Abraham?


thanks for you reply.        now  to your question, ill probebly not sell it doe to the very less profit.   why are you asking ?


Because timing is important when listing a house. If you decide to list it waiting until late February/early March is ideal. That's usually when most buyers start looking. If you put it on the market now it will sit.

Good luck!


 thanks for that info ,     but on the other hand i thing that the market is much more likely to fall in this days then to go up

Post: dose the 70 percent role still exists ?

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2
Quote from @Marty Boardman:

I agree with @J Scott about the 70% rule, I'm not a fan of it either.

It's unlikely that the seller would have accepted your offer of $97,000. That's 43K below their asking price. And 7 months ago when you bought this house it was a seller's market.

A simpler approach is to determine what's the minimum amount of profit you're willing to earn on the project? As a general rule, I want to make a minimum of 10% profit on the total amount invested in the deal. You purchased the property for 140K and have 90K in the rehab and holding costs for a net of 230K. That would be a 23K profit. 

Keep in mind, I said 10% as the minimum. I actually write my offers and/or bid on houses with a 15% target.

I think the 70% rule still exists, it's just that most investors don't follow it because if they did they wouldn't get their offers accepted.

You mentioned the selling price should be around 260K. When are you putting the house on the market Abraham?


thanks for you reply.        now  to your question, ill probebly not sell it doe to the very less profit.   why are you asking ?

Post: dose the 70 percent role still exists ?

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2

my story begins for about 7 mounts ago when  i had 200 k to invest .                         i was looking for a fix and flip deal so i asked my broker for that, and he brought a deal, claiming that that's should be a good deal ,     i bought it , and now now we finally getting finish with the rehabbing , and it looks like we will end up putting in like 80k.      so when i started making the calculation i see that ill not make to much money out of it .                                    lets do the numbers ..   i bought it for 140k  i put in in rehabbing 80k , i then paid 5k for someone to manage the construction,    property tax, water and sewer is like 5k ,  so we are now  everything together at 90k.          now the selling price should be at around 260k , lets deduct 6 percent realter fees for selling it is another 15k so i should be left with 15k.       so of course that deal didn't meet the 70 percent role  but my broker claims that the role dose not exists any more in this market .          so i would like to ask what you guys thing about that,               am i right that the role still exists or is my broker right that the role dose not exists anymore  ?

Post: What should I do? (Flipper thinking about quitting job)

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2

i would suggested you that you should quit your job for filliping and if the market soddenly tanks and you cant sell it for profit you should refinance and rent it out ant wait at lease till the market recovers.    in fact a always thing that holding is better then selling since you don't have to pay any tax on those gains' and you don't pay realter fees and also you keep the preparty which gives you cash flow principle pay down and appreciation .  but it lease you can do it if the market tanks .  but of course its better to be in a place which brings you 500 k a year than in one which brings you 150k a year 

Post: Multifamily still cash flowing today?

Abraham LowyPosted
  • Investor
  • Brooklyn NY
  • Posts 17
  • Votes 2

with this new sky high interest rates you can forget from cash flowing