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All Forum Posts by: Abigail Lipson

Abigail Lipson has started 3 posts and replied 13 times.

Post: Sweat equity vs financial equity

Abigail LipsonPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Michael Smythe:

@Abigail Lipson if you move forward, be sure to execute a Partnership Agreement spelling out how does what, penalties for not doing those things and what happens when one party wants out (or dies/incapacitated) and the other doesn't.


 Yes, for sure I agree with and would plan to do everything you said! Appreciate your input. 

Post: Sweat equity vs financial equity

Abigail LipsonPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

I think 50/50 is too high. When I used to do this, my money friend provided all the money, I provided everything else, everything. Bought the property, supervised and/or did all the remodel work, sold the property, etc...and we did a 50/50 split.

Granted that your knowledge is worth a lot as @Adam Bartomeo says, but if you don't have a huge amount of construction experience, then i do not think that a 50/50 split is fair to your brother....maybe more like 70/30 or at most 60/40...


Thank you for your input. I've overseen major construction projects and remodels but I would not be doing that in this case since I'd be out of state. It would be the PM doing all that. 

Post: Sweat equity vs financial equity

Abigail LipsonPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:
Quote from @Abigail Lipson:
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

How I have structured these in the past is if he is coming with all of the capital and you are handling everything else than a 50/50 split is fair. You can deploy your capital on a second project and work on both. 


My first thought was 50/50 but since I won't actually be doing all that much, I thought maybe it was too high. But maybe to him it will seem like I'm doing a lot since he's never been a real estate investor. 


 My knowledge is worth 1000 times more than my physical capabilities.


Thank you for the helpful perspective. I guess when something has become second nature, it's easy to forget how valuable it is!

Post: Sweat equity vs financial equity

Abigail LipsonPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8
Quote from @Adam Bartomeo:

How I have structured these in the past is if he is coming with all of the capital and you are handling everything else than a 50/50 split is fair. You can deploy your capital on a second project and work on both. 


My first thought was 50/50 but since I won't actually be doing all that much, I thought maybe it was too high. But maybe to him it will seem like I'm doing a lot since he's never been a real estate investor. 

Post: Sweat equity vs financial equity

Abigail LipsonPosted
  • Austin, TX
  • Posts 13
  • Votes 8

My brother has indicated on multiple occasions an interest in us buying rental properties together - he would be financial equity, I would be sweat equity. I've shied away from this because I'm not sure I want to be in business with a family member but putting that aside for the moment, my question is what is a reasonable equity split. In this case, I've been a real estate investor and property manager for 18 years so I would be the one to find the properties. I'm currently buying properties for myself out of state and hiring property managers - I would plan to do the same here, so my role would not be particularly hard or intense. I would nonetheless be the contact person and primary decision maker with property management and my brother would be largely silent as per his preference. What do you think is a reasonable split to consider in this scenario? 

Quote from @Greg Scott:

Hmm. I've had many single family insurance claims and never had this issue.

Was the agent you are using quoting the same insurance carrier?  I would first try a different insurance broker and tell them in advance the issue.

Regarding the LLC, the one insurance broker did not know what he is talking about. There is no way I know of to "look up" the members of the LLC unless that state has some unusual reporting requirements. They might look at the LLC mailing address to associate it with a person, but you could always use a Registered Agent and the address would be different.


I have since asked insurance agents if they look up members of an LLC and, while they don't do that, they do require an individual's name. Just the LLC name won't do. So it doesn't appear the LLC will solve the problem.

Thanks for your input. I had contacted at least 6 different insurance agents so it wasn't the same insurance carrier, and one of them was a broker shopping it around. <sigh> 

Were your insurance claims within the last couple of years? I think insurance companies have become more risk averse as weather events increase. I know hail used to be considered a secondary peril event but has now become primary. 

Good info about the LLCs. Sounds like maybe getting a PO Box is the way to go so that the address isn't my own? 

I own rental properties in one city and two of them had insurance claims in the last 2 years due to hail and tree damage. I just purchased a rental in another state/city and am getting turned down for insurance due to those claims. The homes are owned in my name. An agent mentioned to me that I might have better luck if I formed an LLC on the new one because the claims in my name won't come up. Another agent mentioned that they may still look up the members of the LLC. Has anyone had experience with this issue and know a way to get a good insurance policy that doesn't cost an arm and a leg?

(Please no comments about whether or not my properties should be owned in LLCs, as that is not what this particular post is about.) Thanks!

Quote from @Paul Azad:

Sorry. Please forgive any stupid questions, but why are you wanting to invest outside of Austin? where you already live, have experience, have contacts within the real estate industry, and likely have a large informational advantage over outside investors who are investing in Austin but don't live in Austin. What advantage do you think you'll get by investing in Tulsa? Or Birmingham or San Antonio? Or is it just that profit spreads are better there? Perhaps the question to ask is not where to invest, but rather when to invest. And maybe at this late part of the business and real estate cycle, perhaps it's not a great time to invest anywhere. Austin has been a high growth city and likely is six to 12 months ahead in the business cycle as many smaller cities.

Of those Three, San Antonio provides you the same legal backdrop (Tx) and also geographical access (same day drive) and accelerating immigrant population growth (GDP growth requires much more immigration both red/blue agree on this in private)


I'd be happy to stay in Austin except I want to pay cash and I don't have enough cash to buy in Austin. Hence why I'm looking to invest elsewhere. I agree with what you say about San Antonio and I may be leaning towards it, but I'm also getting the sense that I may be able to get more house in a better area in, say, Tulsa.  

Quote from @Taz Zettergren:

@Abigail Lipson there are companies that buy properties, completely renovate them, sell them to investors and property manage for those investors as well on the back end. If you were to go the turnkey route I'd advise going with a company that handles the entire process from start to finish. I'd also suggest for you to talk with other companies and go visit your top 2-3 options in person to get a better idea of the teams and systems/processes that they have. 

I work with a lot of investors who own properties in Austin and their battling the same thing you are right now so they've shifted to areas like SAN, DFW, Memphis, Little Rock, OKC and Tulsa for a variety of reasons but the top are price points are lower and rents are stronger. Feel free to reach out if I can be of any assistance. Best of luck on the journey! 


Thanks, Taz. This was helpful. I'm planning to pay cash so the markets I've identified are ones with lower price points that allow this based on the cash I have. Average/median rents seem to vary depending on which site I look at, lol - perhaps you know reliable sites to use for this?