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All Forum Posts by: Abdul R.

Abdul R. has started 6 posts and replied 29 times.

Post: Wanting to Invest in TurnKey Properties. Need Advice However

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Derrick Craig:

@Abdul R.

I think that's a great idea if you are purchasing 4 homes or more to get a bigger discount on purchase price 10-15% discounts is awesome.. But what are we basing the 10-15% discount on List Price or actual appraised price by an appraiser that you FIND/ contact and hire not one the turnkey operator refers/contacts and hires.... I am not sure why BUT for some strange reason those appraisals always come back for more or at list price.... LOL How STRANGE!!! 

ALSO I don't know who wouldn't give you a discount if you purchase 4 homes from them at one time even 2 or 3 homes is enough to give a discount in my eyes.. Because I DEFINITELY would do the same thing that Fshomes is doing it's a no brainer in my eyes!!!

 Good points.  Can you just explain exactly what you mean by "those appraisals always come back for more or at list price." Appraised values are more then the list price? Isn't thst good? 

Post: Wanting to Invest in TurnKey Properties. Need Advice However

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Derrick Craig:

@Abdul R.

It's not as easy as you say to just sale a turnkey home especially if you are purchasing from a turnkey company and you didn't go out find the deal, rehab the property, etc...  Just want you to go into your decision with eyes wide open rarely you will be sold a turnkey property with built in 10-15% equity. Also in the Midwest appreciation is not a given as it is out West in the CA Bay area.  If you are only looking for Cash Flow Mid West is your place!!

 Your right about that. But thinking about purchasing from an investment portfolio, they seem to offer 10-15% discounts when you buy multiple properties. Fshomes for example has a 4 home deal I'm seriously considering. Thoughts?  

Post: Turnkey markets. First time buyer

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Abdul R.  my thoughts are how are you going to finance past 4 properties.

and if your strong enough to go from 4 to 10  how are you going to go above that.

the portfolio lenders are out there but a day does not go buy when I hear from those trying to borrow from them that they HAMMER the values.. so you may get a portfolio loan but your cash into the deals will probably have to be far more than what your thinking.

just something to consider

 Regarding a portfolio loan to cover 4 or less properties,  would that count as one mortgage? Or 4?

Post: Wanting to Invest in TurnKey Properties. Need Advice However

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3

Thanks for the advice everyone! I decided I'm just going to focus on cash flow, and have my initial goal to  be rent free in  5 years.  

If house prices drop in the bay area again, I guess I could always sell the turnkey homes or maybe borrow money from family.  

Post: Turnkey markets. First time buyer

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Lane Kawaoka:

It's do able but tough. I've talked to a bunch of people with the #tomanypropertiesproplem and lots of people try the 6.5% 30yr fix with 3-4pts. I found a local bank that can do 4.25 15 year and 25 year 5 arm for 5.25 but they will only lend in one state. I'm sure you can find one in every state but it's going to take some searching.

 Thanks Lane. Exactly what I was thinking.  I believe there are ways to work around the 10 mortgage limit, and from what I hear is it possible to have my wife buy her own 10 properties as well without encountering major stumbling blocks?  Thoughts on this? 

Post: Turnkey markets. First time buyer

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

@Abdul R.  curious how many homes do you think you need to own in the turn key markets that will create 3500 a month NET revenue year in year out.?

unless of course you paying cash... then that answer is much simpler.. and if your financing do you think you can get more than 4 mortgages?

If you need a portfolio loan and can actually qualify for one its probably advisable t have the assets in one location so a portfolio lender can do a blanket mortgage with release clauses.

 From my calculations, I can purchase 3 turnkeys a year with financing.  Each one netting a conservative 225 a month.  675 a month first year x 5 =3375.  Ok,not 3500  but close enough. So 15-16 homes. What your  thoughts Jay? 

Post: Wanting to Invest in TurnKey Properties. Need Advice However

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3
Originally posted by @Larry Fried:

@Abdul R. If you are looking to save up to buy your family home in a few years, I would say that the turnkey property investment strategy is a fairly risky strategy especially at the price/rent ratio in your example.  With turnkey and leveraging you should think of it as longer term - 5 years plus - investment.   You may want to consider investing in a diversified real estate fund or becoming a private lender to a flipper (turnkey or retail) of an easy 8-12% annual return on your investment.  If you do your due diligence on the borrower then this can be a lower risk and shorter term (6 months - 2 years) investment, and you can rotate it.  Something to consider.

 Thanks Larry for the input.  I sort of realized myself the  numbers don't add up, especially in light of fha max loan being  625,000 here   but I have looked into trying to be rent free in 5 years via turn key rentals.  I believe this goal is reachable if I work hard enough. 

Post: Turnkey markets. First time buyer

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3

Hello, 

Bay area native here.  Looking to invest in turn keys untill the passive income allows me to be  rent free by year 5 ( provided I have an flow of income at 3500).  From there who knows,  but that's the current goal.  

I have narrowed down my markets to Indianapolis, Memphis and Kansas city.  

They all seem preety similar in terms of cash to cash percentage gains.  Still not sure what provides better equity,  as that would be a plus.  Anyone have advice as to which starting market would be best? 

Companies the caught my interest are fshomes, Memphis invest,  and buyMemphisnow.  No turn key company I'm familiar with in Kansas city.  Any suggestions there? 

Post: Wanting to Invest in TurnKey Properties. Need Advice However

Abdul R.Posted
  • Union City, CA
  • Posts 29
  • Votes 3

Hello All,

 I am 30 year old male, trying to eventually buy in the CA Bay Area in about 4 years but will need a massive down payment (looking at roughly 160k)). I ran my numbers, my household saves roughly 3,300 a month. so technically in 4 years we can do it. Having said this, is turnkey properties something I should pursue? I say 4 years because eventually we want to start a family and schools in my area are not exactly up to our standards and don't want to rent at that point. 

I found the following deal via buymemphisnow in the 38116 area code at Memphis and ran the following numbers: 

  • Purchase price: 75,000
  • Down payment (25%): 18,750
  • Rent: 850.00
  • Monthly Expenses: -268 (mortgage) - 106 (taxes) - 85 (property management fee) – 85 (vacancy, 10% of rent)) – 42 (repairs, 5% of rent) – 50 (insurance) = -636
  • Net income: 850 Rent – 636 expenses =
    • i.   214.00 monthly
    • ii.  2,568 yearly
  • Cap rate: 5784 (yearly net without mortgage)  / 75000 = 7.7%
  • .2568/ 18750 = 13.7% cash on cash return. 

1. Looking at the numbers, I can potentially keep investing in properties such as this yearly until year 4 and net 20,640.00 (1,720.00 monthly), excluding any rent increases. Having said that, should I then do a FHA loan, and use the extra income to pay off the PMI for 800k home (650.00)? Or would it be better to do the "traditional" way and save for down payment via saving from our salaries.

2. With a 214.00 monthly net, I feel like one major repair issue can destroy a year of revenue even with setting aside 5% for expenses. Whats everyone's experience on this? Do I need to add a warranty as well  with the 5%. 

thank you