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All Forum Posts by: Chris Brall

Chris Brall has started 16 posts and replied 38 times.

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:
Quote from @Chris Brall:

I went through the entire very variance process of meetings, legal ads, and everything else required for a variance. There were 20 requests at the meeting. I was the only one denied a variance that meeting at which time my son said, and I quote that manager has it out for you dad during the meeting when my variance was brought up someone in the highway department stated they do not pay for a porch addition , which I was applying for also stated that the house would now be an egress because of the road expansion as the house sits. The manager replied to them does not matter. He does not get a variance and needs a survey to move the process forward. I found out how much a survey would cost and time that it would take at which point I went to the building department and told them I would not like to continue with the variance and just construct the home in the same footprint that it’s currently on. two permits were issued at that time one for the home and one for the garage. I completed the permit process for the home and was given a certificate of occupancy for the home permit. I also had a green tag on the garage permit and thought that the certificate of occupancy was for the entire project. at which point I put the home for sale, only to learn that the permit for the garage portion did not have a final stamp of approval when contacting the building department, I was told by the manager he would not allow an inspection on the garage permit that I had not completed the variance process and would need to revisit the entire process in order to receive a final inspection on the garage permit . there is a lot more to the story than I would like to put here but I feel I am being wronged by the manager of the building department for some reason unknown to me. Please help if anyone has been in a similar situation, how to move forward to obtain the necessary completion of permit thank you again 

Man, I’m sorry for your troubles. I’ve experienced a wide variety of permitting/City planning tar pits in my construction career.  Unfortunately my municipal apples may be oranges to yours, I’ve navigated major urban municipal departments which simply might not match up to your local bureaucracy, but here’s my 2 penny opinion.

- I stand by a pretty universal Bldg dept practice- a permit never gets released if zoning forbids it. You stated 2 fully paid for permits were released to begin construction. I would be getting an answer from senior department officials regarding that contradictory fact in the face of this variance process demand, AFTER THE FACT.
- most everywhere I’ve worked there is a job site inspection card. Your locale use those? Did you have one specifically for the garage and what is the status of every required inspection on that card only? Not the house, just garage.
- Does the garage permit scope of work match exactly the construction performed on the job site? I understand how easily it was to assume the C of O might have been for both permits, but why wasn’t the garage final inspection scheduled? The house permit got one, so why not the garage? I don’t know this “green tag” reference, not a thing in my universe.
- if the garage inspection card has legitimate progress approvals, I would argue with someone other than this manager, and I would find someone eventually above them or at their level, to objectively intervene. The issued permit and progress inspection approvals on the garage demonstrate preexisting municipal approval without any variance, and demand inspections continue where they left off. You paid for it, it’s your right to make the effort to comply.

I understand smaller departments may only have 3 or 4 people manning the whole process. If that’s the case, and you have an enemy in that small a group, your path of least resistance may be to reset and try to get some empathy flowing your way. It’s not your responsibility to issue and release the permits, it’s theirs, and they did. So why wouldn’t they simply let you finish the inspections? I would ask someone other than this manger why would an existing approved permit that did not need a variance now require a variance approval process? 

Anyway, if it’s murkier than that, and there are circumstances that trigger some sort of non-compliance zoning/code issues, then you’re at whatever the hell process they say, and you better follow it through, cuz they have the law on their side if that’s the case.
Thank you Joel appreciate your wisdom in the handling of this difficult situation.Gives me a lot of good food for thought. The Garage card was okayed for the rough framing portion and the next  inspection would be the final. But thought that was okayed because of the certificate of occupancy. The building department is not that small. I would rather work it out between me and the manager privately if he made a mistake I don’t think it’s worth getting someone in trouble for a mistake. But I am not afraid to go above him and do what is right. Thank you again.

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Joel Forsythe:
Quote from @Chris Brall:

... but my original plan needed a variance after the process and being denied the variance at the board meeting I decided to change the plans to build the structure in the same footprint and received two building permits. One for the house construction and one for the garage. I completed both and received my final inspection off the house but not the garage permit.
While under contract to sell the property the buyer went to get a permit for an out building and the building department said I have open permits. I tried to schedule an inspection but the manager said I didn’t complete the variance process and is stating I need to go through the whole process again and won’t inspect the property and give a final approval on the garage permit. This will cost thousands more to complete and loose many potential buyers . i have started the process for a land survey. I have been trying to be as nice as peach pie in order to move the situation along as fast as possible. i was present when my listing broker called the manager to try and get a resolution and the manager lied twice during the conversation and contradicted himself at least twice during that conversation. I am at the mercy of this department and just want to move forward but seem to be going backward. 
Anyone else who has been through this kind of thing?

Any suggestions on what direction to take? 

Thank you.

Plan check is a methodical record building exercise, that involves many different civil servant operatives, with specific agendas and CTA (cover their a$$) criteria. Keeping record copies of every person, discussion (hardest but crucial), signature docs of any kind, make all the difference. You stated once a variance was denied, new plans were approved and permits issued. That in and of itself is proof a variance was not required for the scope of work on the permits.  I find it confusing how a field inspector would not recognize that fundamental fact, as no department would issue permits if zoning 1st required a variance approval prior to permitting.

2nd, if you have field inspection card and signatures of field inspection approvals, it may be simply a clerical data entry error on the municipality. THAT signature is GOLD, so you must have it on the report card, and I would simply use it as proof. You said there was no final on the garage, why? Feels suspect, did you think it was going to be ok selling the property with an un-permitted garage? It's not permitted unless its finaled, so what happened there?  Did you pull the permit and still violate the issue that needed the variance?  Garages are very easy to inspect and final the permit, so something seems off.  

Takes me back to curious how an inspector thinks a Variance is needed when you got permits that did not require one. Peel the onion.
I received the certificate of occupancy from the building department and thought that was for everything that I needed. But I guess I am wrong again. Now back at square one with the building department. But now it starting to cost $2500 a month plus survey expense of $1600 and counting…😡

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4
Quote from @Bruce Woodruff:

This is typical Building/Planning/Zoning Dept mumbo Jumbo. But they do have their processes to follow and eventually (after much time and money) you will get through this.

Sorry this happened but this is why we recommend so strongly always pulling permits ....or at least verifying that either you do or don't need a permit.

I have permits for all the construction after the variance was denied. Yet here I am with a property I can’t sell and am falling behind on paying the loan off and wasting money and time because a manager made a mistake and I have to pay for it. I really don’t understand how they are not accountable for these actions.

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

Thanks Chris sounds like you have had some experience. I thought I was doing the right thing but now I’m not sure.

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

Posted reply to other comments. Thank you I appreciate you sharing 

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

I went through the entire very variance process of meetings, legal ads, and everything else required for a variance. There were 20 requests at the meeting. I was the only one denied a variance that meeting at which time my son said, and I quote that manager has it out for you dad during the meeting when my variance was brought up someone in the highway department stated they do not pay for a porch addition , which I was applying for also stated that the house would now be an egress because of the road expansion as the house sits. The manager replied to them does not matter. He does not get a variance and needs a survey to move the process forward. I found out how much a survey would cost and time that it would take at which point I went to the building department and told them I would not like to continue with the variance and just construct the home in the same footprint that it’s currently on. two permits were issued at that time one for the home and one for the garage. I completed the permit process for the home and was given a certificate of occupancy for the home permit. I also had a green tag on the garage permit and thought that the certificate of occupancy was for the entire project. at which point I put the home for sale, only to learn that the permit for the garage portion did not have a final stamp of approval when contacting the building department, I was told by the manager he would not allow an inspection on the garage permit that I had not completed the variance process and would need to revisit the entire process in order to receive a final inspection on the garage permit . there is a lot more to the story than I would like to put here but I feel I am being wronged by the manager of the building department for some reason unknown to me. Please help if anyone has been in a similar situation, how to move forward to obtain the necessary completion of permit thank you again 

Post: Now what next step

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

Hey there I’m wondering what is the next move. I flipped a property and will wind up with like 70 k in the bank. Should I purchase another property and rehab it and flip it or hold it or look for a partner and combine? Just wondering about next steps?

Any thoughts? Or been there?

Post: Building department trouble’s

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

In lake county Indiana. I rehabbed a home and was caught without building permit I went through the process of getting a permit but my original plan needed a variance after the process and being denied the variance at the board meeting I decided to change the plans to build the structure in the same footprint and received two building permits. One for the house construction and one for the garage. I completed both and received my final inspection off the house but not the garage permit. While under contract to sell the property the buyer went to get a permit for an out building and the building department said I have open permits. I tried to schedule an inspection but the manager said I didn’t complete the variance process and is stating I need to go through the whole process again and won’t inspect the property and give a final approval on the garage permit. This will cost thousands more to complete and loose many potential buyers . i have started the process for a land survey. I have been trying to be as nice as peach pie in order to move the situation along as fast as possible. i was present when my listing broker called the manager to try and get a resolution and the manager lied twice during the conversation and contradicted himself at least twice during that conversation. I am at the mercy of this department and just want to move forward but seem to be going backward. 
Anyone else who has been through this kind of thing?

Any suggestions on what direction to take? 

Thank you.

Post: Olympian Homes LLC

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

Hi there I just finished a 3 year rehab. I am selling due to relocation but ready to invest in the south bend area. Been a member for about 5 years. 

Post: Lake county building department

Chris BrallPosted
  • Crown Point, IN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 4

located in lake county Indiana. i have started the process for a land survey. I have been trying to be as nice as peach pie in order to move the situation along as fast as possible. i was present when my listing broker called the manager to try and get a resolution and the manager lied twice during the conversation and contradicted himself at least twice during that conversation. I am at the mercy of this department and just want to move forward but seem to be going backward. 

Thank you.