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Posted over 8 years ago

Football Player to Real Estate Investor: Stop Paying for Mentors Now!

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About The Writer  

My name is Jamal Wilson and I am 23 years old. I currently reside in Compton, CA. I played Fullback and Defensive Tackle at two major Division I Universities located in the Northwest corner of the United States. I had a legitimate shot at playing in the National Football League, but I decided not to pursue those opportunities for reasons I will mention in my untitled blog (Coming Soon!). 

Upon graduating with a Bachelors of Arts Degree with emphasis on Public Law and a minor in Philosophy, I decided to join a non-profit organization that serves homeless youth in Boyle Heights, CA. I have been able to offer my services to this organization by way of the Americorps VISTA National Service Program. If you are not familiar with Americorps or Americorps VISTA, you can visit this website for more information. In addition, I work full-time as a VISTA and take overnight shifts as a security officer to supplement the modest living stipend Americorps provides. 

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I started learning about real estate investing after I realized that the whole purpose of paying rent was to pay someone else's mortgage. From that point on I have wanted to join in the game. Recently, I have been doing all that I can to get my foot in the door. Heres a little bit abou how my education has been going.

Introduction

Ever since I was a little boy, I have fed off of the speculative words of family and close friends. They noticed something special in me and started calling me smart and quizzing me. Their words of encouragement have pushed me to continue growing my knowledge. Til this point in my life, my passion for learning has been one of my greatest strengths.

Playing Football taught me how to learn

When I was training as a football player, I relied on my desire for knowledge. I morphed my body until I became an immovable object.I studied the game and my playing style over the years. With this body type, I had the advantage in the most high-contact situations, the part I enjoyed the most.

I was always one of the hardest hitters on every team that I was a part of. I say one of because I have to pay respect players like Jacob Guzman and Zack Stewart in high school. Also, JP Kanongataa and Blake Renaud in college. I gained this strength on the field by studying what worked over time.

After much studying, I developed a ruthless technique. First, I would eye my opponents vulnerable points. Next, I would place the spot on my helmet located near my hairline directly under my opponent's face mask and or sternum. Perfect hat placement and velocity would force my opponent to raise their pad level. This then would allow me to bowl right over them.

Others considered me an effective fullback because they believed I played with reckless abandon. In reality, my play grew from strategy and commitment to mastering my craft. I watched mass amounts of film and studied myself often. I knew every and which way I could increase my advantage and expose my opponents weaknesses.

I loved linebackers who waited until the point of contact to lower their pad level. Meanwhile, I had been working on my pad level with my coach in practice. I worked on lowering my pad level well before I reached the hole. While also focusing on their vulnerable points of contact.

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Should Mentors Charge a Fee?

Okay, enough about football. This post is about an opportunity that I've been considering recently. I'm currently working on growing my wealth and my future family's wealth. I'm also working to stop a generational struggle for financial prosperity and independence. I would like to achieve these goals by investing in real estate. Real Estate is a pretty consistent market with a lot of room for growth and diversity of income.

A Gracious Invitation

Thus, I joined BiggerPockets after learning about it in BrandonTurner's "The Book on Real Estate Investing'. BiggerPockets is an online community of like-minded investors. A group of guys from BiggerPockets asked me if I wanted to audit one of their "classes". Of course, I agreed to attend the class. I went to compare myself to some experienced investors and to identify potential mentorship opportunities. The leader of the group taught the class. He was smart, quick witted, dynamic, and his real-estate experience was self-evident. I left that class impressed and motivated. I found out that I had much more to learn.

I felt this way even after I learned that the full one year course would cost a whopping $3000. I only had a fraction of that in my bank account at the time. My teammates and I almost received that much money to live on for a whole semester in college. The next day I tried calling the guys who invited me but I got no answer nor a returned call. I told a few friends and family about the group and how it would be a great opportunity.

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A Boy Becomes a Man

I continued reading, learning and looking for houses around town. I finally got back into contact with the guys from the class. We set an appointment to meet one on one and discuss some more of the features of the class in more detail. This time, I came prepared. I gained a whole wealth of knowledge from reading, watching, and listening to all things real estate. I was familiar with every single topic they covered. I had even developed some of my own personal strategies.

I asked plenty of questions and started realizing that I already knew more than I thought I did. I also thought that maybe I didn't need this class after all. I still left that day leaning towards joining the class. There were still a lot of benefits to joining the class. I would have access to their brand, network, expertise, and a whole team of mentors and investors.

If a Student Can Learn From a Teacher They Can Learn From a Book

The only time in my life I had paid for my education was in my first two years of college. I was a walk-on at Boise State University's football team. Most of it paid with federal loans and grants. I have just started to realize how much I got screwed with loans for those two years. With my growing knowledge, I have a plan to erase that debt without giving up my earning power for the future. I beg the question, Why would I start paying for my education now? In this case, I would be paying for friends and "mentors". I believe a true mentorship is natural and voluntary.

Even after feeling this way, I emailed to one of the guys from the class and agreed to join the next group of students. Why would I do this? I think it had something to do with feeling secure. I would rather pay somebody to teach me how to do things right the first few times. Which I thought was a better idea than learning from my mistakes or spend a longer time trying to get it right myself. I think traditional schooling and college has taught us bad habits.

We rely on those who've gone to college or earned certain certificates to teach us everything. No one person or group holds all the knowledge. If someone has not written about successful time travel, someone has offered potential solutions. If someone hasn't offered any solutions, I bet someone has defined the basics of it. And so on and so forth.

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My Final Decision

In the end, I decided not to pay for friends or mentors because I know what I can bring to the table. These guys were offering something I had already. I just didn't know it yet. They promised to teach me how to find and get deals, raise capital, and manage projects. The goal was to find good deals and get them under contract. In return, they would supply a part of the funds and all split the profits down the middle on any deal we made.

After hearing this, I realized that I would be paying them to teach me how to make them more money. I could spend all that time working on my own business. I can develop my own relationships. I can learn how to raise my own capital and fund my own deals too. I don't need to pay for no stinking mentor and neither, should you! Not in school, not in business, not in sports, and not in life. A dutiful person will offer their services to you out of true kindness and philanthropy.

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Recognitions

With that said, I would like to thank James Vermillion. James was a guest on the bigger pockets podcast I listened to the day after I left the meeting with those guys. James told listeners not to pay for "masters" because everything is already available. And he's right. All you need is the willpower and grit to get the job done.

Also, special thanks to my mother Janice Hudson who has always taught me to be a leader and to stick out. My father who has taught me to work for everything I get by making me clean his entire barbershop for $20 a week. Finally, thank you to all my friends and family who noticed something special in me at a young age. Your encouragement and support have been with me in every aspect of my life.


Comments (13)

  1. Hi Jamal, 

    You certainly don't have to pay for a mentor. You do have to be ready to ask the right person for help. Quality people are willing help other succeed but you have to ask for help and pitch you idea. I partnered with an experienced developer for my first two projects and asked him to be avalible to make sure that I stay on track. When I had questions he had answers. We both had skin in the game but I consider him one of my mentors.  

    I'm upping my game now in multifamily and actively seeking out skilled operators through my professional network to ask very specific questions relating to their respective experiences. There is one investor in  particular who I will ask to be a sounding board as I scale up. I have learned to mitigate costly mistakes by asking people for advice. It's a two way street and I'm always available to help out within my means. 

    Invest well,

    John Carney


  2. Very nice article. I think mentors are a great & valuable thing in this business. A good mentor can help you to stay motivated and help you get yourself back on track when you veer off a bit. Over the years I have visited many "Guru" type workshops. Some are basically set up to solely show you how to buy their mentor programs & some actually give out good education, with an option to buy something else. To me that makes a huge difference in the teacher & program. Either way, though, I have never been in a position where I wanted to pay for a mentor. It's like you said, you are paying for a friend. Through some networking & conversations I recently found a great mentor. He is a person who is very successful in the areas that I am interested & someone who I like as a person. We have found a way for me to work with him & for him to teach me along the way. He's not asking for anything in return more than for me to continue to work hard and listen to his advice. I have offered to do some of the work for him, so that I can learn. The relationship happened organically.

    As the saying goes "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear." Find yourself a great mentor who is right for you. Don't go buy one. 


  3. Hey @Chad Carson , I sincerely appreciate your feedback. You make some really good points. I think that having somewhat of a position coach in real estate might be beneficial down the road. I think my post is geared more toward others like myself, who are just starting out. I feel like us newbies can get suckered into signing up for courses we don't need and being taken advantage of. 

    I also like your idea about being mentored by someone older. I think that makes the most sense. You never know, they might be looking for a young whipper snapper to take over some of their other duties. 


  4. Hey @Jamal Wilson .  Well written, post! You've got some talent in that department, too.

    I'm a former college football player as well, so I related to a lot of your lessons. My football experienced have served me very well from the beginning. I jumped right into investing from college almost 14 years ago!

    On the mentor question, I don't think there are any easy answers. 

    My most valuable mentors were not paid for. I think my mentor saw my earnest desire to learn from him, and because he had the time and was willing to help, we connected.  He helped me a lot in real estate (even as a private lender), but the mentorship was also mixed with life lessons, which were even more valuable.

    Those types of mentors are out there. They are usually local, and it's usually someone in their older years who sees value in helping someone young who is just getting started. 

    Those types of mentors combined with self-education can take you a long way. So I agree with you on that.

    But there comes a time where more specific 1-1 help or paid education can be valuable.  I personally pay for 1-2 seminars every single year. It's money very well spent.

    I look at these investments like the position coach in football. You benefit from tactical coaching/lessons to up your game. But tactical coaching on techniques is not for when you're a beginner, in my opinion.  You need to get your feet wet, make some mistakes, and have a general foundation to learn from before tactical, paid education is that valuable.

    So this is a long-winded way to say -- keep on with your path. You've had some good insights so far, and I'm sure you'll continue to learn and improve.  Look for that local mentor (for free) who you can add value to.  It might be a private lender who wants to make some money and stay in the game with a young, energetic guy like you.

    Then when you hit some walls in the future, don't be afraid to pay for expert professional help - whether that's 1-1 help from some or or paid education when there is a clear return on investment. 

    Best of luck!


  5. @Josh Caldwell Thank you for your feedback. I agree I am not against mentors by any means. I think mentors are awesome in any field. There is definitely value in a quality mentor, I just don't think paying for that guidance is a necessary means to success.

    @Nick Feliciano Thank you for your feedback! 


  6. I have not seen a mentor that was worth it for the price! Love this blog! 


  7. I agree with most of what

    You wrote   You can do it all without a mentor but you can learn it faster and with fewer mistakes if you have a quality mentor.  

    There are two ways to learn.  You can Lear from your own experience or from the experience of others.  A good mentor offers you his experiences so you don't have to screw everything up for yourself. 


  8. I'm so happy that you worked this out before paying for the mentor, rather than learning from the mistake.  Those programs are largely scams.  As you so aptly put it, you are paying them to make more money for them.  It would make sense if you paid them for the mentorship, you got your deal and everyone walked away.  Paying for a mentor AND giving them half of the profits is just a bad deal.  Kudos.


    1. Thank you for your comments! I respect the work that they're trying to do, but it just was not the best fit for me. I am a self-starter with a lot of drive. Please feel free to PM if you know of anyone doing some investing around the southern california area.


  9. Awesome article! You make excellent points that I agree with, I find a combination of books, forums, the podcasts, etc and primarily, learning from experience can teach you a lot, if not much more than any paid mentorship can. Disclaimer: I have never forked over money or looked for a paid mentorship so maybe I'm missing out but I just don't see it...

    I look forward to reading more of your articles, you have a very engaging writing style! And here is to your success in RE! 


    1. Your feedback is much appreciated. I have been wanting to express myself in writing for some time now, so it feels good to have that feedback. If you have any suggestions for someone just starting feel free to PM me as well. I am also trying to have fresh material at least once a week or bi-weekly. I need that first deal!

  10. Well written.  Mentors can fast track your progress, however I feel if you have the desire the information is everywhere


    1. @Adrian Powell Thanks for your feedback! I do beleive mentors are an added benefit, but I do not see it a sosmething that should be paid for. You're right, all it take sis a little bit of passion mixed with a little bit of hard work and luck.