

To Pay-off, Sell or ReFi?
I am a buy and hold, SFH rental investor. I've been in the business off and on since 2002, but have really been into it full swing since 2011. I had the "worst nightmare" situation with my first rental, with a terrible tenant, bad property manager, damage and a nasty eviction. Oh, and I did not have enough reserves to get me through this tough time so I had to sell. I was also short on education in financial management and wealth building, but I've been working on that ever since. (Thank-you Robert Kiyosaki and others!)
Now don't get me wrong, not including cash flow I almost doubled my money over 5 years so you could consider it a slow-motion flip. But the really bad part is the experience soured me on the whole REI idea. I had been interested in REI for years, but this experience saw me taking about 5-7 years off before I came back to the REI camp. I missed some wonderful times for investing and lost all of that appreciation and compounding. I would have achieved my goals by now and be looking for the next challenge rather than trying to get there still.
So that's my background, and now I have a handful of rentals, the oldest of which I've had for five years now. I bought it below market, fixed it up, and it has been flowing pretty well except for a few expenses. (Older house, more CapEx) Now I have equity and appreciation and owe about 1/3 of what it's worth today. So the big question is what to do now? Should I sell to harvest the appreciation, refinance to harvest my equity, take out a line of credit, pay it off, or what?
I have been struggling with this decision for some time now. Many authors will cry out in favor of one or the other strategy, but it really does come down to what is best for your situation. In my market, there is very little inventory available. Houses are selling above list within weeks of being listed. It's not a good time to be looking for investment property. Now don't get me wrong, there are always some deals out there, but they are very hard to find right now. But that also makes it a great time to sell for a profit. What to do?
I have decided the best option for me is to cash out ReFi (with interest rates so low) and pull out my original investment. When the dust settles, I'll have the same house, it will still cash flow about $250 /month, and I will have 25% equity. But I will also walk away with all my original investment, and then some, in cash, tax free. Of course, it's time to find another deal with that money!
Now I consider myself in the ramping-up phase of my portfolio building. I have 4 rentals today, with a near-term goal of 10, before I start paying them off for retirement years. I would like to have 7-10 properties cash flowing an average of $1000 per month at the end of this road, a very realistic goal in my market. So that's my story and my plan. How about you? Has anyone else out there been struggling with this type of decision? Share with us in the comments!
Comments (5)
I am new to BP. I have been in the rental business over 30 Yrs. More of a turtle than the Hare. My first 6 unit that I still have I bought in 1991. Me and wife have been discussing doing flips. More and more based on my reading here at BP. I'm tempted to go all in. My only ignorance is how to go about the financing for these rental properties so I can develop more leverage than having to use up the whole of the 100K. I have in the bank right now. Any ideas.. Being that I have a free and clear 6 Unit Commercial in North Bergen, NJ as to how to tap into the equity of this property. The ideal situation would be to establish a credit line on this property so I can take advantage of some good deals I have seen on Hubzu, Auction.com, Homesearch.com, HomePath and a few other websites. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Daniel Torres, almost 9 years ago
It's not just the number of units, but the wealth goal, in my thinking. You have got to run the numbers and see what works on each deal. I use a target of 10 SFH rentals as a guideline, but it's not a set number. In the market I buy in, these rent for about $1/sf, so I aim for 1300-1500 sf units paying under $100/sf all-in. If I can do that, they cash flow nicely a couple of hundred a month 75% financed. At least that's where the market is right now. If I end up with fewer, higher-quality rentals that reaches the same cash-flow / net worth goals, then that's fine with me. (My biggest challenge today is shortage of inventory and climbing retail prices.) BTW - I am generalizing the numbers somewhat here. My last deal was $85/sf, but ended up $95 by the time rehab was done, renting for 1200/month. It's a nice cash flow on a newer property, so lower CapEx, but it's no home-run.
I would not want to manage 50 units, much less 100, but then you are younger and you probably have more energy!
I'm just saying, don't get locked into a "number of units" number that's too high to manage. You can achieve the same cash flow you have now with 12 properties that rent for 1500 / month too with the right deal. It's all in what works best for you.
Another suggestion, USE the Calculators! I run the numbers multiple ways through the BP calculators before I make a deal. I used to use multiple spreadsheets, but the BP Rental Property Calculator gives me a very good picture fast. They are not perfect, but since I have started using them I think I am doing a better job on my deals.
Trent Honea, almost 9 years ago
great questions!
I have gotten into buy hold properties highly leveraged and my cash flow is super low but it does exist. I'm figuring that at some point the tenants will pay them off for me and I'll be able to retire on the cash flow. My challenge is when do I stop refinancing to buy more properties, and just get them all paid off. I'm 26 now and have 24 units. The average rent is$775 a month. My partner has the cash we use to buy the houses, then we refi and buy more. At one time I thought 100 units would be a good number but now I'm not sure I could handle managing that many. I have an assistant, but if she ever left I'd have to quit my job to keep everything going. This fear is what has kept me from buying too much too fast.
Aaron Vergason, almost 9 years ago
I agree refi so you can snowball your portfolio. i feel the tipping point is 6-8 properties pending the cash flow. That's when you will start to notice the income you receive. A lot of people will refi after they have 30-35% equity just enough for a down payment on another property.
Justin Marshall, almost 9 years ago
you are doing fine. you have the right idea. cash out thru refinancing. its tax free, you still have the property and it is still in a positive cash flow. use the money to buy another and continue the cycle. you have finally found what works for you. so, keep doing it
Mark Elliott, almost 9 years ago