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Posted almost 9 years ago

Give me some drugs! METH matters.

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These are my notes from part 2 of a CE class I attended called Mold, Meth, and Radon.  I hope this helps someone.  I know I learned a great deal.  I have already performed over a dozen meth tests, and several came back positive.  I was able to negotiate the price down enough to cover the remediation PLUS $5k.

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Methamphetamine is dangerous and can cause strokes. The dopamine response feels great, and recipes are all over the Internet, but don't try it; the highly probable addiction is life-destroying. The meth epidemic started in California in the 1980's, but by 2002, it was everywhere in the USA. 

Since the federal law changed in 2006 making people show ID at the pharmacy to get get Sudafed, the number of busted meth labs in Utah has gone down from 107 in 2004 to just 1 in 2014. (107, 67, 39, 8, 15, 13, 10, 9, 2, 4, 1 in order of year). These numbers are excellent! But the usage is still way too high.

If you see any red or yellow staining anywhere or holes in the walls from violence then be suspicious.

ALS labs in Murray, Utah is the place where the "meth test" was actually developed. If you'd then expect more meth tests to be done here than in other places, you'd be correct! In fact, these test are rarely run outside of Utah on a regular basis. In Utah the tests are just $47, but outside of Utah, inspectors charge upwards of $500 for these tests.

1.0 micrograms per 100 square centimeters is the legal limit in Utah.  It varies from state to state from .05 g to 1.5 g per 100 square cm, with the most common standard being 0.1 micrograms per 100 sq cm. See this pdf:  Federal EPA meth cleanup guidelines

In Utah, there has been some confusion about when the contamination gets reported so I paid particular attention here.

What is the trigger for reporting to the Health Department? 

  • The homeowner or buyer do not have to report meth to the county.
  • ALS labs will not report to the county.
  • But any public official (Fire, police, etc) that suspects contamination is obligated by law to report the home if they think it might be contaminated, so be careful who you talk to!
  • In Utah, the meth cleanup companies that are "Utah certified decontamination companies" must also report to the health department - so be careful who you call if you don't want a red tag on your door!

Once it gets on the Utah Department of Health's contaminated list, then a Utah certified decontamination company is the only one who can certify that a property is "clean" in order to get the house back off the list.  They actually do the testing for the county.

Once it is off the list, according to Utah law, you DO NOT have to disclose that the property ever had meth.   As a real estate agent, I am glad for this.  Imagine how many homes would be permanently stigmatized if this were not the case!

Companies charge as little as $3000 for a proper decontamination.

Use the ALS kit and test most importantly INSIDE the cold air return. This test should NOT be combined with other tests. If you do only one test, this should be it. If you are doing more than one test, then you can combine them: inside furnace, bathrooms, bedrooms (people generally use drugs privately), and other locations.

You can do up to 8 locations with one test swab, but you must note how many test areas you did. With 8, you would note 800 square cm instead of 100 square cm on the test form. The problem with this is you will not know where the contamination was if it comes back positive! So fewer is better.



Comments (2)

  1. Correct.  Remediation is not required in Utah at .72 ug per 100 cm^2.   And on the current realtor seller's property condition disclosure form (SPCD) you would be legally correct to say "not contaminated."

    HOWEVER, .72 ug is high enough for you to know that SOMETHING went on in that house.   And knowing this, and knowing that the sample collection is far from precise, it is not hard to realize that a sample taken somewhere else may actually be over the 1.0 ug threshold.

    So if you don't remediate, and the end buyer does a test and it comes back over 1.0 ug, then you have a big problem on your hands.

    So if you haven't purchased yet, I would push back on the seller and explain that .72 is too close to 1.0 and you need a $5000 price reduction or you are going to walk.  This exact scenario played out as I described just last month for me!  In fact below is the very email I sent to the seller's agent dated July 29, 2016 (with identifying info removed).  

    The meth test results on this house were .55 ug:

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    [Agent],

    The meth results came back, and they are NOT negative. See attached.

    Even though the results are not over the legal limit of 1.0 micrograms per 100 square centimeters, they are still showing that someone did meth in the house sometime in the last 10 years or so. It may not have been the original owner, of course, but may have been more recent.

    Unfortunately, [Buyer] has had at least one house with similar levels of meth. Even though the test results were below the legal limit, the nurse who bought the house demanded that the test come back perfectly clean. So [Buyer] had to go ahead and do the meth cleanup anyway. 

    After [Buyer] fixes up this house on [Street Name], he will put it on the market and then the new buyer will do inspections and probably a meth test. Unless he actually gets it cleaned, he is very afraid of what the test might show. Why is he so concerned (besides the fact that he might run into another "nurse")? Because he tested just one area with 100 square centimeters. If one test area is .55, then ALS labs says beware of other areas which could be over 1.0. So, while this one area is low, it is highly probable that another area has higher levels of contamination.

    So I can understand his frustration. He so much wanted the house to be "clean."

    I asked him what he wanted to do and he said that he is going to do a meth cleanup, and it will cost him several thousand dollars to do it.

    In order to pay for this, he is asking for a price reduction on the home of $5,000. If the sellers are unable or unwilling to reduce the price, then [Buyer] will be cancelling the contract as allowed per the Due Diligence clause in section 8.1 of the REPC. 

    I will send the addendum in 30 minutes.

    Please see if you can get the sellers down $5,000. 

    To help the sellers, [Buyer] will increase the earnest money to $10,000 and sellers can have it immediately if they agree to the price reduction.

    Thanks,

    Steve Theobald
    Realtypath
    801-903-3753

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    Boom!  The sellers agreed to the terms!  This email was worth $5000.  You are welcome to adapt it to you own needs.

    Obviously, I can't guarantee similar results for you, because the sellers may not have the same motivation.  So may the force be with you!

    I will message your privately regarding your second question.

    Steve


  2. Hi @Steve Theobald

    So, if a test in salt Lake county comes back at .72 ug. is remediation not required?

    Which reputable companies in Utah charge as little as $3000? 

    Thanks!

     - Douglas