How I Initiated My Rental Property Business With No Money
Decision to Invest
In Spring 2012, I made the definite choice that I wanted to invest in long-term buy-and-hold real estate. The problem was, I didn't have any cash reserves, and my occupation as a musician and yoga teacher didn't produce the required steady W2 income necessary to quality for a mortgage. I had talked with a couple mortgage brokers who had politely (or bluntly!) indicated that I would need to find a co-signer if I wanted to buy a rental property.
My Goal
My goal was to create a stream of cashflow that could completely support my lifestyle, and I was convinced that I could get there incrementally through buying rental properties. One advantage I had was a flexible daytime schedule, so I decided I'd need to find partners to either act as co-signers or co-investors, preferably those with extra funds earmarked for investing being too busy themselves to hunt down deals. I reached out to friend who had gotten his real estate license, and asked him to be on the lookout for any potential cashflowing rentals that he saw on the market. As we were hanging up the call, he gave me a tip, saying that a coworker of his had been buying foreclosure properties and gave me the name of a company who specialized in buying foreclosures.
Taking Action
I immediately looked up the company, attended their weekly meeting, and signed up for their weekly investor packet and website access. Every Thursday night they reviewed all the properties scheduled for foreclosure auction on Friday morning and gave their analysis (fair market value, predicted auction price, how much it would rent for, etc). Their fee, in exchange for researching the properties, was 3% of the estimated fair market value of the property. They also had a relationship with a hard money lender that would lend short-term cash to use for buying foreclosure properties to anyone with a good credit score, and a pre-approval letter with a bank (so refi would be the exit strategy).
Convinced It Would Work
After attending the meetings and auctions for a few weeks, and talking with other investors to ask their experience, I became convinced that there were plenty of properties available at the auctions each week, at attractive discounts. I was most interested in buying rental properties, but I was also intrigued by the possibility of doing a few flips to raise cash for a rental property. The current market conditions gave me a sense of "now's the time" because the property values were just starting to trend upward after the preceding downcycle.
Approaching Partners
I knew several friends that I thought might be interested in real estate investing, and I started by proposing a Skype call with my two younger brothers. Both of them owned their own homes and rented out the rooms (as I had done successfully), and I knew they, like me, were interested to eventually own additional rental units. One of my brothers had some cash available that could be used for initial acquisition fees and renovation costs on a rental property, and had strong W2 income that would allow us to refi out of the hard money loan into a 30-year mortgage.
Forging a Partnership Deal
After many conversations, we came up with the idea that I would execute the purchase of a foreclosed rental property and do all the groundwork, and he would put in all the cash needed to turn the deal. He would also spearhead the refinance out of the hard money loan while I was spearheading the renovations and getting renters in. Once the property was cashflowing, all proceeds would go to him until he was reimbursed for his initial seed money. At that point we'd be considered "even" on that property, and all further proceeds would be split between us, including sale proceeds should we decide to sell.
Summary
It worked! The first property went well and we bought another, and another. It's been less than 3 years and we've built a portfolio of 50 units and growing. We've gained valuable knowledge and experience from each deal which then inspired our approach toward the next one. If you are like me and are seeking financial freedom through owning long-term rental properties, but are missing some key factor (such as cash!), don't let it stop you. Find an angle that you can excel at, and seek partners who need your abilities and can fill the gaps that you are missing.
Comments (22)
Nice post! Lots of great info and notes!!
John McConnell, over 9 years ago
Hey John, thank you very much, I'm glad you found it helpful :).
Jeremy Jones, over 9 years ago
Nice post! Lots of great info and notes!!
John McConnell, over 9 years ago
Do you manage your properties yourself or have a management company do it for you?
This is great, good luck in your future!!
Jason Rosanina, over 9 years ago
Hello Jason, I use a property management company. Best Regards!
Jeremy Jones, over 9 years ago
Thank you @Todd Campbell :)
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
Congratulations!! Great and encourgaging post!!
Todd Campbell, almost 10 years ago
Great and inspiring read! I am putting offers on homes right now for my first flip. I have a similar goal of taking flip money and rolling it into buy and holds. Also I make sure that I can rent the flip out of I can't sell it. Thanks
Adam Spencer, almost 10 years ago
Yeah @Adam Spencer it's great to have two exit strategies that work (rent long-term, or flip). That gives you peace of mind that you've got a backup if you're primary plan doesn't go as planned. Every project seems to have a "twist" at some point :)
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
thank you for the amazing information. I greatly appreciate your story and the clarification you posted about how you jumped upto 50units. I love the idea of a family letter to gain private funding. Did you have them pass it along to friends and other family members as well? Can't wait to read more in your blog!!
Jason Mittenzwey, almost 10 years ago
Hi @Jason Mittenzwey, I'm glad you enjoyed the blog post!
The "investment opportunity letter" is something I've been passing around to friends/family at a gradual pace when it feels right, as in I sense that they are interested in getting returns on some money, and they are positively intrigued about the real estate projects I'm doing. I've purposely avoided being the slightest bit "pushy" so nobody feels like I am using our social or familial relationship to use them for my business venture. One-by-one, several people have indicated "I've got some money, can you tell me more about your investment opportunity?" And we'll work something out. Once they start getting 8% interest it sure beats a 1% CD and they like it. So that's been a successful thing that sprang up spontaneously. I didn't realize until listening to the BP Podcasts that there is a name for that: "Private Money". For anyone that I sense would be opposed or potentially offended I don't send it to them... in other words, I'm not blasting it out to large email lists, I'm sending it one by one with care and an email crafted specifically to that person.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
Hi @Joseph Del Prete, you are right there is a lot more meat to this story! With this BiggerPockets blog, I am hoping to break off little pieces of the journey and present them as digestible nuggets for those who are walking a similar path.
Here are some quick answers to your questions:
- I did 6 flips between 2012-2014 and poured all the proceeds back into more rental purchases.
- In the first round of rental purchases, we (partnering with my brother) bought several SFR's and a condo. After two years we sold all four of those and used the proceeds to buy multifamily properties on the open market with Seller Financing. This caused our unit-count to balloon because each SFR/condo became a 4-plex or 5-plex. Since the new loans were Seller Financed, we didn't have to worry about the restrictions of lending institutions.
- I reached out to family/friends with a formal "investment opportunity" letter offering 8% returns on private cash loans and some people have taken that opportunity. That has provided some supplementary funds for down payments and renovations.
- We have 3 properties financed through Pacific Crest Savings Bank which underwrites and carries their own loans. They have their own criteria and are not subject to Fannie Mae restrictions.
- My brother financed some of the 30-year fixed properties in his name only (with both of us being on title), which then frees up some of the "10-slots" for me to add more 30-year fixed once my income from existing rentals is impressive enough to the banks to allow me to carry a loan on my own.
- The amount of down payment we use depends on the acquisition method. Sometimes we'd buy a foreclosed property with a 0-down hard money loan and then use our cash "down payment" on the renovations. In the cases of the Seller Financed deals we've generally put 20% down. We always look for a way to step into "instant equity" or "creatively enhanced equity" and immediate cashflow.
I hope this is helpful to you and I wish you the best in your process. All the questions you asked are the *exact* same things we've been wrestling with. The reason I called my blog "Intuitive Real Estate" is because there is no pre-existing script about how to handle all these challenges that come up. I've adopted an attitude of using creative thinking in-the-moment to handle each obstacle, while harmonizing my present-day choices with my long-term plan.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
@Joseph Del Prete
A couple more answers to your questions:
- My brother, who I partnered with, still maintains his full-time job and has continued to buy-in to our rental business with the surplus proceeds from his paycheck beyond what he needs for living expenses. We both have minimized our living expenses quite a bit by doing rent-by-the-room with our personal homes. One of our goals is to build enough income that he can have the option of quitting (or cutting back) his full-time job and we'd be able to continue growing our business without either of us relying on W2-income to qualify for mortgages.
- Washington Federal Bank provides loans on residential rentals beyond the "limit of 10". We haven't actually financed a loan with WaFed yet but we are working with a mortgage rep there and keeping that as an option for 4-plexes.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
Thank you for the encouragement! This is the ultimate direction that I'd like to go. I've thought about starting in the Lease purchase market as well. Thoughts?
Costa Deir, almost 10 years ago
Hi @Costa Deir, I don't have any personal experience in the "Lease purchase market" but I'm interested to learn if you find an acquisition method that works well.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
My question would be, how did you go from 0 to 50 units in only 3 years? I bought 4 SFR my first year, and I'm on track to buy another 4 this year. I expect in my third year of investing that I'll be able to buy 8 more SFR. That's still only 16 units in 3 years, nowhere near 50. Did you receive a very large cash infusion from a private investor? Were you able to group your mortgages together and pull equity and use that to buy properties, and then take equity out of the new properties to buy more properties, and repeat the process? How were you able to go 0-50 in just 3 years? What bank / lender do you use that allows you to bypass the Fannie Mae / Freddie Mac restriction of 10 financed properties? Are you putting 10% down on properties? 20%? 5%? 0%? There is a lot more meat to this story...
Joseph Del Prete, almost 10 years ago
Wow super inspiring. I have very little cash and am pulling a team together this week to fill in the gaps..... if everything goes smoothly we can move forward like a well oiled machine...
@Katie Rye, I have found that even if you don't have your own money it's not the end of the road. It may take a lot more foot work, but if you want to get into RE without resources, you will need to find and coordinate the people in your life that DO have resources. If you can put a win-win-win strategy together, it will attract attention of genuine people that will want to succeed with you..
Triston Murray, almost 10 years ago
Hi @Triston Murray I'm glad you found the post inspiring! Based on your mentality, I think you will succeed in your goals.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
Good info!
Here is my issue. I do have some cash, but relocated for a job last year and had sell my home via a short sale. Credit is still good, but no bank will let me do anything for 3 years (FHA guidelines) and can't get a pre-approval. So, what other things would work in place of a pre-approval for hard money lenders?
Thanks
Donte Carter, almost 10 years ago
Hey @Donte Carter, one idea is you could use your good credit to be approved for hard money loans to do flips. That way, your exit strategy is selling the property, rather than refinancing out of the hard money loan. After you do some flips, you may be able to purchase your first rental property for cash. Or, along the way of doing your flips, you might meet an investment partner that would co-own the rentals with you, and he/she might have the ability to carry the weight of approving for the 30-year loan.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago
Hi,
Thank you for sharing your story. That is my hang up. No cash! Do you know how to find these companies that buy foreclosures that I could find in my area where I could start attending meetings, etc?
Thanks !
Katie
Katie Rye, almost 10 years ago
Hi @Katie Rye, here are a couple ideas for how to find which companies specialize in foreclosure auction purchases in your area:
1) Post on the BiggerPockets forums asking if anyone has experience going through such companies in your area.
2) Find out where and when the foreclosure auction for your county is held. This can be done through internet searching or through calling your county's property tax secretary. Attend the auction and start asking around. Some people may not be friendly, but others will be more than happy to tell you everything they know about buying foreclosures. You may also find agents who are representing clients and would love to add you as a prospective client.
3) Call hard money lenders in your area (there is a list on BiggerPockets under Resources->Hard Money Lenders) and ask what foreclosure-buying companies they most commonly work with.
One concept I found inspiring in the initial "I have no cash" phase was "it is free to shop". Just like you can go test drive a car at a dealership even if you have no money, you can also shop real estate. Perhaps you could make it a goal to run your own analysis on 10 foreclosure properties a week, then attend the auction and see how much they actually sell for. Such a practice will put you in tune with the marketplace, inspire you by watching other deals being sold to normal people just like you, and build your confidence to shop your deals to investment partners who may have cash or refi-ability.
Jeremy Jones, almost 10 years ago