03.01.14 Worst Yet Move Out
Here documents our worst move out yet. The tenant owes us close to $5,000.
We did a routine maintenance inspection for the tenant’s one year anniversary in early January. We determined at that point that the tenants had been hard on the unit (removed most doors, removed ceiling fans, trashed blinds, replaced kitchen fixtures with lower quality, kids drawing on walls) but that they hadn’t completely destroyed it (no holes in walls, new kitchen still intact, etc.). [We missed the fact that the bathroom floor was completely wrecked with water damage.] They had been shaky tenants since right after move in, so we decided to “ride them out”, see how long we could keep them, knowing it would be expensive when they moved out.
It wasn’t even a few days later when the tenants announced that they had lost their main job. They had a relative come forward and offer to pay part of their rent for several months, but the co-sign agreement never came back signed. We posted three days, set up and broke payment plans, and prepared to file our first eviction. We didn’t think keys for cash would be effective, but we did get to let their rent obligation stop the day they moved out. At this point, anything to get them off the property.
We took possession a few days before the end of January. This photo shows how it looked at that time. They did come back for two more days to remove items. They threw a significant number of belongings into the alley, resulting in the city to wanting to fine us $500 for the mess.
We had a $750 deposit, representing one month rent before the pass through utilities. Their rent default with late fees ate up all the deposit. The place was so awful that we invested almost 28 hours of personal and paid cleaning time. And a few thousand in repainting the entire house (not a wall without crayon scribbling; the house had been repainted a year ago), gutting and replacing the bathroom flooring, re-carpeting (all carpet was pet urine soaked), and fixing the other items they destroyed.
Key learnings: We were firm with them when they weren’t paying on time or taking care of the outside of the property, but I think this experience will cause us to be even more vigilant. But a lot of it goes back to screening. They were new college students getting their aid payments quarterly. We now take points away for that; in our area people start college and don’t last long, and quarterly payments are problematic. We are also more inclined to want to try to get into the applicants current residence to see if they are slobs. If the applicants have pets that need to be approved, just offering to come to them has gotten us access. And a red flag if someone is moving from an apartment to a SFR. These tenants did not make the transition well at all.
Comments (10)
Jesse Stephenson, over 10 years ago
I had one of these disasters last year. Tenant was supposedly a stripper. I inherited her when I bought the house. I knew she had a spotty payment record but I thought the worse I would have to deal with is an eviction and some vacancy. WRONG! After she was served notice to quit, she totally trashed the place. I also had about $5K in damages but that was only because I got a really cheap contractor. Everyone else wanted 8-10K. I also had a 5 month vacancy so that cost was another $3.5K. Lesson learned. I am very strict on due diligence in inherited tenants now. Also I learned the value of diversification. Even after this disaster, overall on 6 properties I made a decent return and 4 of those were not even held the whole year. It just proved to me the numbers are solid and if I have a large enough portfolio I can ride out occasional disasters like this, even as I get better at avoiding them.
Account Closed, almost 11 years ago
Did you meet the tenant and talk with her before buying the property?
Dawn Anastasi, almost 11 years ago
Ugh, that's a tough experience, Michele - I'm sorry that you had that happen. Are you going to re-carpet? Or perhaps no pets? I rarely have a happy experience combining the two!
Ben Skove, almost 11 years ago
Ben, we did re-carpet. I'd like to play with tile, plank laminate, or refinishing hardwood, but it all takes way longer than re-carpeting, and we want it re-rented fast. We have not had great luck with the Pergo type stuff; tenants trash that too. I'm not sure we'd have enough applicants if we went no pets. We charge $25 extra/pet/month. We re-rented to a family with 3 dogs ($75/month extra) that gates off the carpet areas from the pets, and they LOVED having new carpet, even the cheap stuff. Time will tell.
Michele Fischer, almost 11 years ago
Michele: A good installer can lay vinyl plank pretty quickly, maybe not as quick as carpet, but within 2-2.5 the time. If you put down fibre floor, it can be layed free floating and is actually easier than carpet.
Roy N., almost 11 years ago
Wow that is a tough one. Sorry you guys had to deal with that. At least they did leave instead of just squatting and not paying rent until you had to force them out. I think that at some point every landlord is going to have at least one nightmare story if they are in the game long enough.
Shaun Reilly, almost 11 years ago
some people.....so ignorant...Feel for ya Michele.
James Wise, almost 11 years ago
Oh Michele, all I can do i shake my head. Fortunately we've not ever had anything quite that bad ... we did have a couple of young guys ruin hardwood floors (leaving snow covered boots directly on the floor), a fridge and almost the range. Fortunately the fridge was already old and the floors gave us the last push we needed to undertake a major renovation of the unit. We conduct quarterly inspections and repair damage (and invoice) as we find it, but have yet to run into those tenants who just don't care and have no money to pay for the damage they cause ... I'm sure one will eventually get past our screening. I am most interested in what you learn and measures implemented to prevent and mitigate a similar situation in the future.
Roy N., almost 11 years ago
Thanks, Roy, always appreciate your comments. I've been doing more inspections this year, 3 months for new tenants. It seems like a lot, but I like knowing what we're dealing with. My husband argues that they always cost us money and are no guarantee that the tenant won't lose their mind right after the inspection (this happened to us too). I keep my ears open on BP on how to detect and avoid slobs; that one is tough.
Michele Fischer, almost 11 years ago