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Posted over 12 years ago

On Bid-Rigging and Buying Foreclosures on the Courthouse Steps

I can no longer say I'm a newbie real estate investor since I've passed the 3 year mark of since my original real estate education from the high priced seminar industries. 


Unfortunately this brings the passing of the innocence of the new real estate investor.  I see this with new graduates from seminars: the excitement of making money in real estate...the hope, the bright eyes, the optimism of the future as it's replaced with guarded concern and jaded opinions that experience brings.  I don't mean to sound negative, as I am very positive about real estate investing and the opportunities that exist.


I saw a news story about bid rigging at the courthouse steps for foreclosures - you can read it here.  But the reality is this happens all the time.


Early on I attended the foreclosures in Travis and Williamson Counties, the counties near where I live in Austin.  I even had my cashier's check ready to purchase a sweet foreclosure at a heavily discounted price.  I drove around town, viewed the properties and I was ready with my notes, my values and my "not to exceed" price.


I was ready.  I knew which property to bid on and the excitement started when the bidding started.  The bidding started.  I was up against this cowboy that seemed to know what he was doing.  I kept bidding and the next thing I knew the bidding was higher than the cashier's check I had with me.  I KNEW that bid amount was higher than it should be.  

These guys were kicking me out of the game.


So the conversation I had with this guy went like this:



Jean: "What does it take for me to get a foreclosure here?"

Cowboy: "You might try going someplace else."

Jean: "I guess I can go to Williamson County."

Cowboy: "No, we're in Williamson County too."

Jean: "What about Bastrop County?"

Cowboy: "Yes, you can go to Bastrop County, we aren't there."

Needless to say that was my last visit to the Travis County Courthouse for a foreclosure sale.


I network locally in Austin.  Another investor I know regularly attends the Williamson County foreclosure sales.  He spoke of a time that the bidding on a property got to the point that it was 2 main investors.  During the bidding, one bidder looked straight at the other bidder and their eyes connected.  You could tell a silent deal was made right then and there in a split second.  (The deal was to stop the bidding and do the deal together.)


So yes, my innocence has waned.  I've become jaded.  I'm delighted when I see people getting arrested for "bid rigging", but the reality is that it happens everywhere and I don't think it will ever stop.  In the mean time, I look for other ways to buy properties, find great spreads between foreclosure prices and retail prices, share what I learn on my field trips and help wherever I can.  


My advice to the newbie?  Stay away from the courthouse steps.


Comments (4)

  1. Sometimes they bank will open with the amount due or with a discount and you never (or rarely) know what they will require. Plus you have other investors to compete with. I suggest you find the cash to bring him current, buy the property "subject to" the existing mortgage (assuming a great interest rate the payments will be low). This means you only have to pay the current payment. What are the comps in the area? If you invested the rehab cost, could you make money?


  2. Could you kindly offer some seasoned advice? Strange situation here. I am wanting to buy my uncles home on the courthouse steps. Auction date is set. I've never done this but want the home badly. Have the cash but really need to make a deal so that I can afford to make the repairs the home needs. I know he owes close to tax appraisel. He owes 116. Tax app. On the home is 122k. The home is in a great location but needs work. He spent tons of money adding huge basement, 2 car garage, and lots more square footage not showing up on tax appraisal and not noticed on home drive by. Problem is, all these add ons require more $ to be completed. I have gotten estimates from others and see it ass opportunity to get the home for a great deal and then fix it up. Not to sale, but to live in. I need to get as best of a deal as possible. My question? Will opening bid from baank always b the amount on the lean? In this case, $116? What do u recommend I bid?


  3. As a newbie, I would be petrified to start there. Those people are "already in the know" and are there every month.


  4. I agree the courthouse steps are not the best place for a newbie to start.