165-TNG Radio – Peter Schiff 3-13-10

Bruce Norris is joined this week by President of Euro Pacific Capital and author of Crash Proof 2.0, How to profit from the Economic Collapse, Peter Schiff. Peter is currently campaigning for the Connecticut Senate seat to replace Senator Dodd.

Europac.net is Peter’s website and the number to reach his group is 800-727-7922.

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Mr. Schiff is one of the few non-biased investment advisors (not committed solely to the short side of the market) to have correctly called the current bear market before it began and to have positioned his clients accordingly. As a result of his accurate forecasts on the U.S. stock market, economy, real estate, the mortgage meltdown, credit crunch, subprime debacle, commodities, gold and the dollar, he is becoming increasingly more renowned. He has been quoted in many of the nation’s leading newspapers, including The Wall Street Journal, Barron’s, Investor’s Business Daily, The Financial Times, The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, The Dallas Morning News, The Miami Herald, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Arizona Republic, The Philadelphia Inquirer, and the Christian Science Monitor, and appears regularly on CNBC, CNN, Fox News, Fox Business Network, and Bloomberg T.V. His best-selling book, “Crash Proof: How to Profit from the Coming Economic Collapse” was published by Wiley & Sons in February of 2007. His second book, “The Little Book of Bull Moves in Bear Markets: How to Keep your Portfolio Up When the Market is Down” was published by Wiley & Sons in October of 2008.

Mr. Schiff began his investment career as a financial consultant with Shearson Lehman Brothers, after having earned a degree in finance and accounting from U.C. Berkeley in 1987. A financial professional for over twenty years he joined Euro Pacific in 1996 and has served as its President since January 2000. An expert on money, economic theory, and international investing, Peter is a highly recommended broker by many leading financial newsletters and investment advisory services. He is also a contributing commentator for Newsweek International and served as an economic advisor to the 2008 Ron Paul presidential campaign. He holds FINRA Series 4,7,24,27,53,55, & 63 licenses.

In 2007, the crash was not obvious to many, but it was to Peter. Peter thinks he understood the economy better than most of the people in Wall Street and the government. Peter was better prepared because he was writing books about the economy, and he was working in the brokerage industry. He received many emails from other people who agreed with his views.

Peter believes the problem is that too many people learned Keynesian economics, and as a result, they had no understanding of how economies truly work. It is hard to see a bubble when you are inside one. Peter saw people buying houses at prices they couldn’t afford. He knew that lenders were letting people buy homes with no down payment, they were letting people lie about their income, and they weren’t documenting their assets. He knew the government was guaranteeing all that debt through Fannie and Freddie, and he understood the moral hazard of that behavior. He knew the Federal Reserve had interest rates much too low. He knew that the economy was in a mess, and that we were simply inflating a bubble. Peter claims you didn’t have to be a rocket scientist to see this problem coming; you just had to be an idiot, or too immersed in the bubble to see it coming.

Bruce saw many of the people who Peter debated, and they were very confident when they claimed Peter was wrong, and they still do. Many of these people still think that the economy is recovering right now, and that Ben Bernanke made the right choice by stimulating the economy. Peter thinks Bernanke made the problem worse. We are trying to reinflate a bubble, but this behavior is just going to make problems worse.

Bruce asks Schiff what he would label his State of the Union speech, if he was to give one. Peter does not think that the Union is currently sound. Right now, he is running for Senate in Connecticut as a Republican nominee. Peter believes that Chris Dodd enabled the housing bubble by giving support for Fannie and Freddie while they were making bad decisions. Schiff thinks we need to restructure our government, because it is spending too much and it is too big. Right now, the government is actually trying to expand rather than shrink, and that causes an increase in spending. We need to change our tax policy. Right now we are punishing hard work, savings and investment. We need to raise revenue through consumer spending. We need to remove many of the regulations that are distorting the free market. We cannot pretend that we can buy everything from China and Japan, and then pay for those products by borrowing money.

For inflation to occur, you need to have a central bank creating a lot of money. Typically, the catalyst for inflation is government spending. When governments spend more money than they collect in taxes, they often get the difference from their central bank, and this is happening right now. Not only do we have all the ingredients for inflation, but we also have the ingredients for hyper inflation. Unless the government makes changes, we will have hyper inflation.

Inflation has not been a big factor yet, but Peter believes that this is because we cannot see it. We should be currently experiencing deflation but we are not. Prices should be falling, which would be helpful to the economy, but the government is preventing price reduction through inflation. One thing that Keynesians don’t understand is that high unemployment causes high inflation. Keynesians think there is a trade off between high unemployment and low inflation; this is actually the opposite of the truth. Generally speaking, most countries will low levels of employment have low levels of inflation. When you have fewer people working and producing goods, governments print more money to stimulate the weak economy.

In the 60s and 70s, we believed in the Philip’s curve, which got us in trouble. Bruce asks if the path to hyper inflation will take over a decade. Peter says it is up to the Chinese and Japanese. They have to decide when they will stop loaning us money that we cannot pay back. Peter doubts that this inflation process will take a decade. He thinks it will most likely happen over the next several years.

When the world stops buying our debt, we will either have the Federal Reserve print money to buy our debt, or we will make radical cuts in government spending. Peter hopes that we choose to cut our spending, but based on the current officials we have in congress, he believes we will choose to print money. Many countries throughout history have made the mistake of hyper inflation, and it has led them to disaster. Unfortunately, our government officials have learned nothing from history.

Peter does not think that our generation will see another politician like Paul Volcker; someone who is willing to take the necessary actions to save us from more trouble. In the 80s, we were lucky to have the support of Volcker and Reagan. Reagan understood that the government was too big, and he understood the importance of the dollar value. When Volcker was raising interest rates, politicians were calling for his resignation, but Reagan supported him. Right now, the person who occupies the White House is the complete opposite of Reagan. Obama believes that the free market is causing problems, and that the government is the solution. Bernanke is also the complete opposite of Volcker, because Ben supports mass amounts of government spending.

Home prices in California are firming, but this is occurring because the government is sustaining those prices. Right now, the government is actually making the problem worse. Builders are still making new homes, because the government is making it easy for people to buy homes with 3 percent down payments and low interest rates. If the market were in charge, prices would be falling so low that no one would want to buy and no one would be building new homes. What builders are doing is adding more homes to the incredible supply we already have. Once the government removes its influence, the collapse will be even bigger. We are still suckering people into buying homes that they cannot afford, and they are still able to extract equity from their homes which will soon disappear.

Peter believes that real estate prices need to fall, because the prices need to reflect a true market. In a true market, the average person should be able to put down 20 percent on a house, and then qualify for a mortgage without government guarantees. Also, people should have enough savings to pay for the other costs that come with owning a house. You need to have a reserve of cash for when emergencies, such as job loss, emerge. Prices need to fall to the point where people can do that, and Peter believes that this appropriate price rating is far away in California.

Keeping real estate prices artificially high is hurting the economy, because in order to inflate real estate prices, interest rates must remain artificially low. To do this, capital has to be sucked out of the real economy, which means that businesses cannot grow and expand. The more we keep home prices inflated, the more Americans will lose their job. Eventually, we will have higher real estate prices, but more Americans will be unemployed.

Right now, there are a lot of people who own houses who should not. For example, in California, renters were sucked into the market based on the expectation of making profit. The principal motivation for buying a house, for many of these people, was to make money. People will eventually realize that owning a home is not like owning a lottery ticket. There are many home owners who need to go back to renting. It is more flexible to rent, and it is typically less expensive.

Peter also thinks that many people bought larger homes they did not need during the real estate bubble, because they expected home prices to double. People expected their houses to appreciate to twice their purchasing amount. Once prices stop going up, people stop buying huge homes based on speculation, and they will simply buy what they need. Because of this market speculation, builders built too many mcmansions.

Peter also believes that California’s other big problem is that it is bankrupt. Companies are leaving, so the unemployment rate will be much higher in a couple years. When you are unemployed you cannot buy a home.

The only thing Peter believes will save California real estate is hyper inflation. However, Peter would not consider that to be a realistic solution. Hyper inflation may allow people to live in their expensive homes, but their other expenses, like air conditioning and eating, will become more expensive as well. Peter thinks that houses will still have their value, but people will be huddled in blankets; looking pathetic.

Bruce asks Peter, “When you get to the senate, can you change certain real estate policies, which will allow investors to receive financing? Investors are willing to put 20 to 30 percent down, but they cannot currently get financing for investing.”

This is because the government is directing all it’s financing to homebuyers and college student. Peter wants to stop the government from subsidizing anyone’s mortgage. This way, loans will go to the most credible borrowers, and the investors will surely be the most credible borrower. Peter would prefer to have an investor, who has the money, buy a property and maintain it, rather than keep an individual in his or her property when they don’t have the equity to maintain it.

Renting makes sense for a lot of people. Peter was a renter for nearly his entire life, because he made plenty of money and he felt it made more sense. In Florida, he rented a nice place for much cheaper than what he could have owned. He recently decided to buy for multiple reasons: 1) He was tired of moving around; 2) He paid 40 percent less than the owner who bought it in 2002. 3) It was 60 percent less than what the property was listed for 2 years ago. It would have cost him more money to build the home.

People ask Peter if they should buy real estate for financial reasons, and he tells them “absolutely not”. If you are thinking about real estate as an investment, then Peter thinks you should rent.

Peter believes that interest rates will increase at some point, because the government is artificially suppressing them right now. The longer we keep interest rates low, the higher they will end up. Many people feel encouraged to buy homes when interest rates are low, but Peter has the opposite perspective. Peter would rather buy interest rates when they are high, because prices are typically low when interest rates are high.

Bruce mentions that last time, prices did not decrease as the interest rates increased. Peter claims that this happened as a result of government interference. The Federal Reserve kept rates low in order to allow people to overpay for houses. Lenders also allowed people to buy a home without a down payment. These two factors encouraged people to buy, and as a result, people gained a positively speculative mentality towards real estate prices. The mania of real estate profit further encouraged home purchases.

You can no longer get an ARM, and only qualify at the teaser level. People were once able to get loans with 2 or 3 percent payments.

Peter’s website is www.europac.net

You can learn about his brokerage business at that website. Peter can help you invest your money around the world.

Peter’s recently published book is “Crash Proof 2.0”.

If you want to help Peter get to senate, his campaign website is www.schiffforsenate.com