Skip to content
×
Try PRO Free Today!
BiggerPockets Pro offers you a comprehensive suite of tools and resources
Market and Deal Finder Tools
Deal Analysis Calculators
Property Management Software
Exclusive discounts to Home Depot, RentRedi, and more
$0
7 days free
$828/yr or $69/mo when billed monthly.
$390/yr or $32.5/mo when billed annually.
7 days free. Cancel anytime.
Already a Pro Member? Sign in here

Join Over 3 Million Real Estate Investors

Create a free BiggerPockets account to comment, participate, and connect with over 3 million real estate investors.
Use your real name
By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.
The community here is like my own little personal real estate army that I can depend upon to help me through ANY problems I come across.
Syndications & Passive Real Estate Investing
All Forum Categories
Followed Discussions
Followed Categories
Followed People
Followed Locations
Market News & Data
General Info
Real Estate Strategies
Landlording & Rental Properties
Real Estate Professionals
Financial, Tax, & Legal
Real Estate Classifieds
Reviews & Feedback

Updated 18 days ago on . Most recent reply

User Stats

3
Posts
5
Votes
Paul Gutierrez
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas
5
Votes |
3
Posts

Open Door Capital Funds

Paul Gutierrez
  • New to Real Estate
  • Las Vegas
Posted

I am new to syndication investing and have read many comments on other threads regarding the ODC funds.  Can anyone that is a part of Open Door Capital fund 1 or 2 comment on their experience?  Any information is appreciated.

Most Popular Reply

Account Closed
  • Birmingham, MI
7
Votes |
1
Posts
Account Closed
  • Birmingham, MI
Replied

I'm an owner/operator who actively syndicates MHC deals. First off, the fees for this fund would dissuade me. 8.5% of EGI (6% for property & 2.5% for asset) for management? We charge 4% for property management and 2% for asset management. At least it's not 1% of the (Sponsor determined!) value of the properties each year like I've seen some other funds charge, which is akin to taking an acquisition fee every year. This is just not an alignment of interests. It's a "Heads I Win, Tails You Lose" proposition. 

I also saw that the pref was non-cumulative? I've never seen that before. Couple this with the "Cash Distributions from Capital Transactions" clause and you begin to see the real problem. The fund could essentially pay no preferred return/dividends to the LPs (Class A Members) during the holding period and then upon a Capital Transaction the GP (Class B Members) would still be entitled to receive 30% of the distributions, simply after returning the LPs initial capital contributions. It doesn't even take into account the pref!

In general, I’m of the opinion that if given the choice it’s always better to invest in a syndication than a blind pool fund. Once you invest in a fund, you've relinquished the single most important control valve you have: determining what investments your hard-earned capital goes towards acquiring. While it may not offer as much diversification, at least with a syndication, you can review the specific merits of that particular deal.

Also, the fund operator typically has different motivations than the syndicator. Once the fund receives a capital commitment, the clock starts ticking on the preferred return (or at least it should), so they’re motivated to deploy that capital ASAP. I find that they’re often a lot less judicious in their acquisition criteria as a result. With a syndication, there’s nowhere to hide. The deal has to stand on its own merit. Poor performing deals in a fund are able to hide behind the better performers. It’s only when they’re trying to wind down a fund do you see which properties are the duds.

I’m of the opinion that funds tend to be a more sensible platform when there’s a pre-identified number of opportunities that a sponsor's looking to capitalize on immediately. It doesn’t make sense to go through the fundraising process each time since the focus should be on trying to swallow up these deals in short order. The MHC space on the other hand is saturated with lots of well capitalized buyers all pursuing patient, well-informed sellers looking to obtain the highest price possible. 

The cat is out of the bag in the MHC sector and this has caused prices to reach historic levels. Even marginal deals are trading at ridiculously low cap rates (lower than MF I might add). During this last cycle it’s been a game of musical chairs, sponsors have been able to raise rents and flip deals quickly to the next buyer because of an insatiable demand and an abundance of capital. I've been saying it for years, but this tide will eventually turn. I'm not sure I would want to be in a blind pool fund at seemingly a late inning stage at this point in the cycle

Finally, if you're an average Joe wanting exposure to this sector I would strongly suggest taking a look at the public REITs as an alternative. Yes, this is an unsexy option and it doesn't offer the same tax benefits, but you would benefit from reduced volatility (so long as you don't obsess over fluctuating stock prices), greater liquidity, stronger management teams and superior assets. In addition, studies have shown that public REITs outperform private real estate:  https://www.reit.com/news/blog... And this is coming from someone who sponsors private deals for a living!

And, please, don't buy into "you make your money on the exit" argument. You make your money on the buy. And, the dividend yields are a key, if not the most important, factor for driving CAGR alpha. Year 1 cash-on-cash returns are a vital part of the equation. The MHC space is much more difficult for value-add then say for apartments where you have greater density and economies of scale.

Hope this helps.

Loading replies...