Land purchase & sale

Land purchase & sale

Bonnie LowPro Member
Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

Investment Info:

Other other investment.

Purchase price: $17,000
Cash invested: $17,000
Sale price: $22,000

Land purchase. We bought 2 river view lots in gated community for new builds, but ended up selling before building. The lots were side-by-side and could be combined for building on, or built on separately.

What made you interested in investing in this type of deal?

Our market was really heating up and investment properties were getting harder to find unless you could close with 100% cash. Instead, we purchased two side-by-side lots in a desirable area with the intent of building a SFR on each. We would sell both completed homes and add the profits to our pool of investment funds to put us in a better position to buy with all cash in the future.

How did you find this deal and how did you negotiate it?

MLS. Our plan was initially to only buy one lot, which we did for $10,000. The same person owned the lot next to it and after another 4 months on the market, she approached our Realtor to see if we wanted to purchase the adjoining lot as well. We negotiated that one down to $7000 so we ended up with both lots for $17,000.

How did you finance this deal?

Cash from prior flip.

How did you add value to the deal?

We didn't! We sold less than a year later for $22,000.

What was the outcome?

Our plan was to build on both lots. After having the plans drawn up by an architect and submitting them to the HOA for review, we discovered the CC&R's on this particular street required tile roofs, which added a significant expense to each new build - approximately $30,000 for the structurally reinforced roof needed to support tiles. This expense ate up too much of the profit estimated for each build so we decided to sell the lots instead.

Lessons learned? Challenges?

We had reviewed the CC&R's before having the architect draft the drawings, but we hadn't priced out a tile roof. We were familiar with the cost of comp roofing, which is how we ran our original numbers, but were caught off guard by the expense of tile. Fortunately, we had multiple exit strategies. We could have held the properties to wait for prices to continue to appreciate (which they have), but the HOA fees are $1000/year/lot so the returns didn't justify it.

Did you work with any real estate professionals (agents, lenders, etc.) that you'd recommend to others?

Jennifer Montgomery, Relevant Real Estate

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
5y
Originally posted by @Bonnie Low:

@Jay Hinrichs yes, CA. Way up north here in Lake California - a gated community in Tehama County. There are a lot of cheap lots out there usually due to tax sales, but  many of them are very sloping and/or heavily treed with oaks. We were lucky to find these flat parcels right across the street from the Sacramento River. Power to the streets and sewer/water hookups available but otherwise no improvements. Since we sold, the prices have gone up further (dang it!), largely due to exceptionally low housing inventory due to the Carr Fire in Redding and the Camp Fire in Paradise. They can't build fast enough. But man, it's tough to find a contractor!

I am familiar with it.. man made lake off of the Sacto river.. I dont think it was a Boise project.. theirs tended to be much larger.

one you maybe familiar with is Lake Shashtina just North of Weed off of 97..  Also Hidden Valley Lake in Lake Co .. and of course Lake Wildwood in Nevada county were Boise projects.. they built 27 of them from San Deigo north to Shastina mainly on the Sierra Nevada River drainages..  

The theme was to build a lake  ( could never do this today)  18 hole golf course and about 3 to 5,000 lots..  

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    what state did you buy shovel ready lots for so little money ??  was this in CA..  and if so was it one of the old legacy Boise Cascade projects. ??   cant argue with profit !!!
  • Bonnie LowPro Member
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    Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Jay Hinrichs yes, CA. Way up north here in Lake California - a gated community in Tehama County. There are a lot of cheap lots out there usually due to tax sales, but  many of them are very sloping and/or heavily treed with oaks. We were lucky to find these flat parcels right across the street from the Sacramento River. Power to the streets and sewer/water hookups available but otherwise no improvements. Since we sold, the prices have gone up further (dang it!), largely due to exceptionally low housing inventory due to the Carr Fire in Redding and the Camp Fire in Paradise. They can't build fast enough. But man, it's tough to find a contractor!

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bonnie Low:

    @Jay Hinrichs yes, CA. Way up north here in Lake California - a gated community in Tehama County. There are a lot of cheap lots out there usually due to tax sales, but  many of them are very sloping and/or heavily treed with oaks. We were lucky to find these flat parcels right across the street from the Sacramento River. Power to the streets and sewer/water hookups available but otherwise no improvements. Since we sold, the prices have gone up further (dang it!), largely due to exceptionally low housing inventory due to the Carr Fire in Redding and the Camp Fire in Paradise. They can't build fast enough. But man, it's tough to find a contractor!

    I am familiar with it.. man made lake off of the Sacto river.. I dont think it was a Boise project.. theirs tended to be much larger.

    one you maybe familiar with is Lake Shashtina just North of Weed off of 97..  Also Hidden Valley Lake in Lake Co .. and of course Lake Wildwood in Nevada county were Boise projects.. they built 27 of them from San Deigo north to Shastina mainly on the Sierra Nevada River drainages..  

    The theme was to build a lake  ( could never do this today)  18 hole golf course and about 3 to 5,000 lots..  

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bonnie Low:

    @Jay Hinrichs yes, CA. Way up north here in Lake California - a gated community in Tehama County. There are a lot of cheap lots out there usually due to tax sales, but  many of them are very sloping and/or heavily treed with oaks. We were lucky to find these flat parcels right across the street from the Sacramento River. Power to the streets and sewer/water hookups available but otherwise no improvements. Since we sold, the prices have gone up further (dang it!), largely due to exceptionally low housing inventory due to the Carr Fire in Redding and the Camp Fire in Paradise. They can't build fast enough. But man, it's tough to find a contractor!

    I am familiar with it.. man made lake off of the Sacto river.. I dont think it was a Boise project.. theirs tended to be much larger.

    one you maybe familiar with is Lake Shashtina just North of Weed off of 97..  Also Hidden Valley Lake in Lake Co .. and of course Lake Wildwood in Nevada county were Boise projects.. they built 27 of them from San Deigo north to Shastina mainly on the Seir

  • Bonnie LowPro Member
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    Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @JayHinrichs I'm familiar with all of those, but I had no idea they were Boise Cascade projects! I've heard that property currently adjacent to Lake CA which is still in grazing today was or is owned by Red Emerson from Sierra Pacific, but I don't know if that's true or just a rumor. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bonnie Low:

    @JayHinrichs I'm familiar with all of those, but I had no idea they were Boise Cascade projects! I've heard that property currently adjacent to Lake CA which is still in grazing today was or is owned by Red Emerson from Sierra Pacific, but I don't know if that's true or just a rumor.

    I am just showing my age.. yes those were all developed by Boise.. you simply need to watch the movie Glen Gary Glen Ross to understand how those developments were sold.. its a great flick..  Pacino Baldwin Lemon etc.. And very historically acurate.. My Dad was a land man so i grew up in it in the 60s..

    AS for Red Emerson owning a lot of Lake co..  Not sure..  the southern part of the county has had a HUGE influx of Vineyards and the northern part is mainly Mendo National forest .. so there may be tracks they own there and log.. but Lake Co is not a huge logging county compared to others in N. CA.  And the fires of the last 5 years have really decimated a good part of the county.. 

    I was there last year.. and went to look at our old family ranch in Upper Lake  ( 1,200 acres) my dad busted it up into 20s back in the day so its got homes on pert near every parcel.. but it was burnt over and many homes burnt down.

    Anyway good job on your land flip.. literally over a million rural parcels like those that can be flipped in CA.. many folks from other areas think the real estate market in CA is all SF bay Area or prime LA  they dont know that there is plenty of affordable housing and land. 

  • Bonnie LowPro Member
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    Lender · Asheville, NC · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    Hey, @Jay Hinrichs - I meant Lake California (the gated community in Tehama Co) for the Red Emerson property, not Lake County. ; )  And I totally agree with you about rural property in CA. I've come to believe that Californians are some of the biggest whiners out there (and I can say that because I live here!)....'there's no good deals', 'it's too expensive', 'our Governor is a Commie..'  blah, blah, blah. Where there's a will, there's a way. Sometimes it's not sexy, but it's there if you want to work for it. 

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