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Updated over 4 years ago, 05/03/2020

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Vasily R.
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
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Nothing in Seattle MFH house-hacking makes cashflow. Am I crazy?

Vasily R.
  • New to Real Estate
  • Denver, CO
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I am working with two agents who showed me a bunch of MFH properties: mostly duplexes, some 4plexes. One in UW, many in Greenlake, some in Cap Hill/First Hill and a couple in West Seattle. My plan is to house-hack with an FHA loan. When our loan consultant came back to us and said I got a pre-approval for almost all of them, I got excited and started crunching cashflow numbers for each property, as per our overlord Brandon Turner.

And then it hit me: the numbers just didn't make sense. Everything is red, even if I massage the numbers in multiple ways. Too many posts here are too vague, so let me give you some concrete data. Here is an exact copy paste of my excel sheet, which took me multiple hours of labor to create:

AddressTownPriceunitsLoan amountCurrent RIRI x 105%AdditionalTotal Income[email protected][email protected]TaxesUtilitiesFHA MIPHOIRepairsYard CareVacancyTotal expensesNet income
5042 11th Ave NEUW1,400,00041,351,0005,5005,775255,8006,0665,79196801,182350232008,524-2,724
8059 25th Ave NWLoyal Heights965,0002931,2254,0004,20004,2004,1823,9926750815177193251266,003-1,803
7231 3rd Ave NWPhinney Ridge980,0003945,7004,0004,20004,2004,2444,05266708281802451003366,408-2,208
523 N 105th StGreenwood1,195,00041,153,1756,0206,32106,3215,1784,94385001,00995280502537,480-1,159
541 N 105th StGreenwood749,0002722,7853,2503,41303,4133,2463,0985000633137183751374,763-1,350
4715 whitman ave NWallingford897,0002865,6054,0754,27904,2793,8873,7105830758164193501715,629-1,350
1907 Chestnut StEverett380,0002366,7003,3003,46503,4651,5723420260133181501392,677788
current rent01,660301,690-1,690

All this info is from public websites found on Zillow, government websites, etc, so don't feel like I'm giving any free lunch out here, but it's all to make a point: do you see how all the numbers in the right-most column have a minus in front of them, except the Everett property I added just for contrast? That's the problem here. I am glad I did these calculations because my agents were getting all giddy about me making an offer on any of these. Mind you, this is a best-case scenario, and these numbers don't even account for the fact that I'll need to live in one of these units. Even if I raise rent aggressively and assume the best FHA rate I could find, low repairs, low utilities, low vacancy, the numbers are still bad. Sure, I'd make a decent profit from appreciation from a sale eventually (maybe), but all the while I'll be bleeding money for who knows how many years.

Someone please tell me what I'm missing here. Plenty of people in this forum are bragging about easily getting good cash flowing deals in the Seattle metro area. Is that all bs? 

Do I really need to dig deep and find pieces of crap that need full renovations (I've seen a few of those and they still cost a fortune), BRRRR or some other fancy strategy? Is FHA MFH house-hacking just not a thing in the Seattle metro area? I am a city guy and don't want to move far; will I really need to concede that privilege? I am new and don't want to BRRR yet. Besides, FHA appraisals are strict and it probably wouldn't work anyway. What other strategy works out here? My agents were so stumped by my observations that it's been 2 days since I've heard from them. It's honestly making me suspicious of their honesty from the start - surely they should have realized this fact long ago already, being in the market for 8+ years?

Sorry for the frantic post and thanks in advance for all the kind wisdom.

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