Investor/Agent Relationship - Finding Deals

Investor/Agent Relationship - Finding Deals

Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 57 votes

Hi all,

I've had a lot of people reach out to me privately about investing in Las Vegas and decided this would be a good place to share some tips for building a successful investor/agent relationship. Part of my intention with this post is to create a codified reference to send to clients before working together. This will also be helpful for other investors who are just getting started.

For the sake of providing credentials (not intending to brag), I am a very active agent and investor. I both live and work in Las Vegas. I personally sell about 100 homes a year (15-20% of which are investor clients, thank you BP!) and have acquired multiple single family and townhome rental properties. I also invest in large multifamily properties.


With experience as both an agent and investor, I feel (somewhat) qualified to speak to this important relationship and how to make it synergistic and fruitful. As an investor, I am certainly familiar with the frustration of dealing with “Soccer mom” Realtors who pitch cute kitchens and have no acumen on the investing side of the business. As a Realtor, I am familiar with the frustration of dealing with “time sucker” investors who want me to spend 50hrs/week finding them deals, writing 10 offers a day, while they work with 9 Realtors and then never end up buying. 

Hopefully this short guide will help you in either role.

1 - Finding deals is the primary role/responsibility of the INVESTOR. With very few exceptions, the most difficult part of any business is FINDING NEW CUSTOMERS. Real estate investing is no different. In fact, REI is a quintessential example. Finding deals is the most difficult and rewarding part of the business. It is the highest dollar per hour, high-leverage activity that pays the big bucks. Everything else, to some degree, can be delegated out. Finding deals is what YOU, the investor, get paid to do. This is the entire purpose and primary objective of REI businesses. This is what all of their marketing, advertising, and sales strategies is geared towards. To expect a Realtor to do this part of the job for you is unrealistic and does not make any sense. If a Realtor is spending 20-30 hrs/week knocking on doors to find you a deal, and you are outsourcing all of the contracting work, and using the Realtor to sell the home, what exactly are you getting paid for? What value are you bringing to the transaction? I don't want to sound condescending, this is simply meant to clarify roles and expectations.

2 - The MLS is NOT a rich source of discounted properties. Often times, investors who only have experience purchasing primary residences get confused here. Realtors are a great resource for finding a home to purchase as a residence (so is the internet), but not so much for investment properties. The reason for this is that sellers who list their homes with a Realtor on the local MLS - "traditional sellers" - typically want top dollar for their properties and are not likely to sell at a significant discount. OF COURSE, THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS TO THIS. However, to expect your Realtor to scour the MLS for hours to find a needle in a haystack, and write 10-20 offers a day, is unrealistic and not effective. If you want to use the MLS as a resource, ask your Realtor to set you up on a customized auto-search and do some basic underwriting on your own to narrow the deals down. Drive around town to get an idea of what areas you want to rule out. Or, you can use search engines for this, they are nearly as powerful as the MLS nowadays anyway.

3 - So if my Realtor isn't for finding deals, what do they do? The nature of a Realtor-client relationship is certainly different for investors and owner-occupiers. If you are looking to purchase a home to live in, one of your Realtor’s primary responsibilities is to find a property that fits your needs. If you are looking for an investment property, this becomes your job. Your Realtor’s job is more consultative - to advise you on locations, rentability, tenant profiles/demographics, exit strategies, salability, connect you with vendors, help you underwrite deals, and help you negotiate contracts. The *RIGHT* Realtor will be worth their weight in gold for these roles. 

Tip - Do not underestimate the importance of vendors and resources. A realtor who has a large book of business with vendors (landscapers, painters, plumbers, etc) can save you a lot of time, hassle, and money!

4 - So how do I find deals then, if not with a Realtor? This is the right question to ask. This is where you should focus all of your time and attention. There are plenty of resources on this website on finding deals. You can start by networking with wholesalers (a good investor-friendly Realtor can help you here), browsing auction websites, asking a Realtor to set you up on a customized search, calling/driving for dollars, working your personal database, and sending mailers. 

Keeping these points in mind will help make your Realtor relationship more productive. It will actually make them want to work harder for you and invest more time, energy, and resources in you. A good Realtor will also be able to occasionally send you deal opportunities, but keep in mind this is not their primary role. Personally, I know that my deal opportunities go FIRST to clients who have proven themselves and have a history of closing transactions.

Please reach out with any questions!

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  • Realtor · Ashland, OR (97520) · Member since 2019 · 22 posts · 31 votes
    6y

    Thanks for this info, @Dan Mumm! I've been a residential real estate agent for 6 years now. I've recently become much more interested in investment property both for myself and my clients. My plan was to find off market deals for my investor clients. It sounds like you're saying that would be a waste of my time and energy, right?

  • Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 57 votes
    6y

    @Allie Dickson no, it's not necessarily a waste of time. It's a good question, there's a lot that goes into this.

    I do help my clients find off market deals when I come across them. I probably send investors more off market deals than 99% of Realtors, actually, just due to the number of sellers I talk to. But to make this a primary objective of your sales business might not be the best strategy. 

    To find off-market deals, you will employ a lot of the same strategies that you would to find traditional, MLS sales (networking, phone prospecting, door knocking, marketing, internet advertising, mailers). So the off market opportunities will come as a natural side result (albeit scare) of what you are already doing.

    The problem comes when you devote an inordinate amount of time doing what an investor should be doing themselves. But this question about how to run a real estate sales business is kind of a different subject :)

  • New to Real Estate · Las Vegas · Member since 2019 · 63 posts · 47 votes
    6y

    @Dan, thank you for this post! I obtained greater clarity regarding real estate agent and client role. 

  • Eric FernwoodBusiness Member
    Realtor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 997 posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hello @Dan Mumm,

    A very good writeup defining your relationships with clients, which helps manage expectations. However, I disagree with you that it is the investor's responsibility to find the deals. I believe that as an investment realtor, it is absolutely our role and responsibility to find and qualify good investment properties for our clients. It is the highest value that an investment realtor can bring to clients, in addition to managing closing processes and providing access to network of resources (handyman, plumber, property manager, etc.). I'm not sure about your clientele but a lot of our investors are busy and successful professionals such as doctors, CPAs, engineers, project managers, entrepreneurs, etc, they do not have the expertise or the time to look for and qualify investment properties themselves. A vast majority of our clients live out of state or out of the country. By finding and qualifying properties for them, as well as coordinating and overwatching rehab and property manager handover, we help them achieve their goals of owning real estate in their investment portfolio and be on their way to financial independence, something they may not otherwise be able to achieve.

    I agree with you that good investment properties are very hard to find. For us, only about 1 in every 800 to 1000 properties available on the MLS on any given day will pass all of our filters including ROI. It would be impractical to search for them manually using traditional methods such as driving around, knocking on doors, real estate websites, mass mailers, etc. This is why we developed data mining software to aid us in finding good investment properties. We would not be able to provide this service to our clients without the data mining software we developed.

    In summary, I strongly believe that finding and qualifying good investment properties is the biggest value that an investment realtor can provide to his/her clients.

    FERNWOOD Team, KW VIP Realty520 Reviews
  • Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 57 votes
    6y

    @Eric Fernwood, in the case where you locate a lucrative flip opportunity for a client, what value is that client bringing to the transaction, especially if they are using hard money/financing and not their own capital? Why would you not purchase it yourself?

  • Real Estate Agent · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 107 posts · 57 votes
    6y

    If you are helping clients who are busy professionals locate buy-and-hold deals for passive income, that's a little bit of a different story. My post was more aimed towards flips, I should have been more clear. 

    Rental deals are much easier to locate since there isn't nearly as much of a discount needed for them to make sense.

  • Eric FernwoodBusiness Member
    Realtor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2014 · 997 posts · 1k+ votes
    6y

    Hello Dan,

    Thanks for the clarification. In my opinion, the value a client brings to the table is their business. Whether they are flipping or investing, they are buyers.

    As to why would we not purchase all the good properties for ourselves? A couple of reasons. First, we do not compete with our clients. We only buy properties that no active client is interested in. Second, we can not afford to buy a lot of properties.

    On flippers, we generally do not work with flippers at this time. Flippers were a significant part of our business in 2010 through about 2013. We developed software to find below market priced homes and we could resurrect it if needed.

    Another factor with flippers is that we have a fundamental policy: "No one gets hurt on our watch." Most of the people who contact us about flipping do not have the resources or experience to successfully flip, they are extremely likely to lose money. Our clients do not lose money, we do not put them in danger. If an experienced flipper came to us who had the resources, we would likely resurrect the software and see what is possible.

    I am impressed that you can find good investment properties. Good investment properties are not easy to find manually. We can only do it using our data mining software. With 25% down you can expect 3% to 5% after all expenses, including management and debt service. With a cash purchase, add about 2%.

    FERNWOOD Team, KW VIP Realty520 Reviews
  • Robert AdamsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Henderson, NV · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 373 votes
    6y

    If you find flips manually or through software please put me on the list ;-)

    The Adams Team at Rothwell Gornt Companies4.971 Reviews
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