Partnering with end buyer on a Las Vegas Duplex

Partnering with end buyer on a Las Vegas Duplex

Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 399 posts · 260 votes

Hey BP community. I want to try something new (well at least new to me). I want to pre-sale or partner with someone to flip a duplex 2/1. Here are my thoughts and numbers. Would love some feedback of my super smart folks out there.

I just picked up a single family zoned R2 that I've confirmed with the city can make a duplex. It's located downtown in the City of Las Vegas (which MIGHT be able to be made into a vacation rental, more research is required). The area is a little run down but beginning to turn. I'd say it'll still be a few years before it gets there but I've seen a lot more activity lately. So this is what I was thinking. I could get a hard money loan and go through the regular process but I am thinking if I can get a buy and hold partner we can both save/make more money. Here are my numbers:

$82k PP and CC

$60k renovation (fully permitted)

$3k holding and misc

$145k all in

$200k ARV

Rents range from $650-850 (of course I think for a brand new unit we'd command the highest rent)

$55 gross profit

So if I went traditional I'd spend another 13k in closing and agent fees.

When our investors fund the entire deal we share 50% of profits so why not find the end buy and hold partner in the beginning and give them that 50% discount on the property. The property would be in their name and the buy and hold investor would be all in $172,500 for a brand new duplex in one of the hottest markets in the country. I also have my property management permit so I would find and place a tenant in there as well as part of the deal and could manage it for them as well. Well anyway thats my idea.

What do you think? If you're a buy and hold investor would you do this deal? Why or why not? And, would this would open a lot more opportunities where the margin is a little tighter because you wouldn't have to pay agents and CC?

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
8y

just charge ala carte  fee for acquisition and fee for rehab management.. there are a few vendors I deal with in the mid west I call it turn key light.. buyer gets a little better deal.. operator does not incur holding costs and associated risks

other wise just flip it.. as hot as Vegas is ...

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  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    8y

    @Omar Merced

    Hey Omar,

    I’m a buy and hold investor in Vegas and certainly like your broad strokes. 

    Clarifications/ideas that may or may not come up....

    Who’s paying for what? You say you already bought but then want to pre-sell. How much of the $145k or $172k would you want from buy and holder? If you already own it maybe half of the $172k as their name replaces yours and they owe you the rest? If you ask for too much of the $172k and your numbers are wrong, only the end buyer gets burnt. What if total costs end up being $160k and it appraised for $180k? ( I assume there will be an appraisal in there somewhere or again, only the buyer gets burnt if your guesstimate at final value is wrong.)

    Should the end buyer pay half of of what the net would be? ($200k minus the $13k in closing costs minus $21k (half the profits)? $166k in the above example. Otherwise you have transferred $13k in costs the seller should be paying to the buyer. 

    Don’t get me wrong, I like your idea, heck I’m interested if you find another deal or a small multi, but right now it seems far from a partnership and more of a one sided gamble. One person has nothing to lose. 

    I’ll be interested to see what others think or if there’s any interest. Keep us informed what happens and LMK if you come up with more deals. 

    -B

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    8y

    just charge ala carte  fee for acquisition and fee for rehab management.. there are a few vendors I deal with in the mid west I call it turn key light.. buyer gets a little better deal.. operator does not incur holding costs and associated risks

    other wise just flip it.. as hot as Vegas is ...

  • Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 399 posts · 260 votes
    8y

    Great questions. I have the property locked up. We're scheduled to close in a few weeks. The thought process is the end buyer fund the deal and renovations. Renovation can be in draws and construction at cost. No markup. The title would be in the end buyers name so we don't have to pay transfer tax and the end buyer would have full control in case something went wrong. I stand behind my numbers. If we weren't able to get the price I indicated on the open market the difference would come from our half. Meaning if we could only get $180k we would only make $7.5k. Our profit is at the end and only if we make our numbers. The end buyer could refinance in which they would have to get an appraisal and possibly get most if not all their capital back. The split would still be from the gross because you are still getting the property at a 15% or higher depending if it could sell for higher on the open market. The only stipulation I would include is if you decided to sell at open market we benefit from the upside just like partners should. Does that make sense?

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    8y

    Yup. As stated. I know many people throw a barrage of questions to shoot down an idea. Or at an idea they have zero intent of proceeding with. That’s why I went out of my way to show interest and state that wasn’t my intent. I would love to have a “bird dog with renovation capabilities that doesn’t want to be paid until project completion.” Pretty much Jay’s definition but something I hadn’t heard discussed before. 

    As stated before, I like it. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2016 · 399 posts · 260 votes
    8y

    @Jay Hinrichs Like it. What would be fair fees to charge? I thought this structure was the fairest option with upside for both parties. And yes I can flip it but I could be done with this deal in 60-90 days vs 120-180 days waiting on end buyer financing.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    8y

    I don’t know if you need to change your format Omar. As end buyer it’s nice having the vendor’s profit out in the open and know that any cost overruns and under-appraisals are split evenly. Even if it means a higher cost in the end. 

    If I was going the other way with the service fees, almost all the value is in the acquisition to a local buyer. We’d rather use vendors we know, trust and have a. Relationship with along with propert management. Si to an instate buyer you’d just be wholesaler. To an out of state buyer you’re better off finishing and selling as a turnkey flip. I think you have a good idea here, you just needed to get it out there before the deal, or at lest this will help with the next deal. 

    Heck, ask who would want to be on a buyers list for this kind of deal and I think you’d find takers if you want to be doing that much rehabbing and your staff/contractors can keep up. 

  • Guy with Great Hair · Austin, TX · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    8y

    I don't buy in Vegas but my offer to do some pro RE photography for you still stands. If you do a group effort with someone on BP I would love a chance to photo document. Also love participating with my local friends! Good luck Omar

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    8y

    @Omar Merced

    Did you ever get anywhere on this deal format or the property in question

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