Have you ever made a "Low Ball Offer"?

Have you ever made a "Low Ball Offer"?

Landlord and Rehabber · Newton, MA · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 877 votes

In my opinion I never have...

I have made offers <10% of the asking price on MLS properties and told people asking over $100K for a place that they would have to pay me to take it, but still wouldn't call anything a low ball.

I find the term annoying as it is just used to mean offering a lot less than the seller wants, without any regard to the VALUE of the property.

I look at a property and what value I think it has to me.  I determine the MOST that I am willing to pay for it and then my initial offer is usually 80-90% of my determined value.  This might only be a small fraction of what the seller wants but I don't think it is "low ball" since it is a strong offer based on what I think it is worth.  They just don't agree with that valuation.

9 out of 10 times the seller wants way to much and they sit on the property for a long time since nobody is stupid enough to give them what they are asking for.  The rest of the time someone does pay more and maybe they are willing to work for less, did a poor job evaluating, do see some value add I did not and it is truly worth more to them or maybe I just was not the right buyer for the place and someone else (maybe an owner occupant) just was okay with a higher price regardless of the numbers.

So what about everyone here?  Do you agree with the way I think?  How do you make offers?  Do you actually make low ball offers (maybe some arbitrary percentage of list price, like 50%, that you hear some gurus advocate)?

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Peter MacKercherBusiness Member
Residential Real Estate Broker · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 567 votes
10y

@Shaun Reilly I take a similar approach to making my offers. List price doesn't mean much, it's just a suggestion to ground negotiations if anything. Like you said, your own valuation should dictate your offer, and not following your own rules would end your real estate venture pretty quickly.

At the end of the day both parties ideally walk away happy with the agreement they've reached, and if that happens at a number above, at or below LP depends so many market and situational factors that it's hard to know how someone will react to your offer. I always say it's more offensive to not make an offer than to make one, so as long as you're making an attempt to offer a fair price based on your evaluation (whatever that is), then party on.

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  • Investor · Katy, TX · Member since 2015 · 112 posts · 24 votes
    10y

     We went under contract for the listing price and offered 60% after the inspection. The house was way over priced, but I think the owner knew that. I was really embarrassed by our new offer (this was a number that our realtor came up with), and the owner declined our offer. We re-negotiated and ended up buying the house for 85% of the LP. 

    Now, I am all about low ball offers. Most people list their home for way more than it will even being appraised for anyways. My opinion is that if they are willing to accept my low offer, then I am getting a great deal. If not, I am going to move on to the new deal. I am not in a hurry. :-)

  • Visalia-Fresno, CA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 863 votes
    10y

    @Shaun Reilly

    A asking price is subjective.  Focus in on what the value is based on the data and findings.  A low offer can be necessary and it also creates a new reality for the seller.

    Frank

  • Landlord and Rehabber · Newton, MA · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 877 votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Franklin Romine:

    @Shaun Reilly

    A asking price is subjective.  Focus in on what the value is based on the data and findings.  A low offer can be necessary and it also creates a new reality for the seller.

    Frank

    Exactly, it isn't really a low offer if they are asking for way more than it is worth.

    Good point at the end about the seller's new reality.  That is a reason that it is always goo to follow up.  They might not entertain your offer at the time but if it sits a long time (especially if they don't even get other "low ball" offers) you might be able to work out a deal in the future. 

  • Peter MacKercherBusiness Member
    Residential Real Estate Broker · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 567 votes
    10y

    @Shaun Reilly I take a similar approach to making my offers. List price doesn't mean much, it's just a suggestion to ground negotiations if anything. Like you said, your own valuation should dictate your offer, and not following your own rules would end your real estate venture pretty quickly.

    At the end of the day both parties ideally walk away happy with the agreement they've reached, and if that happens at a number above, at or below LP depends so many market and situational factors that it's hard to know how someone will react to your offer. I always say it's more offensive to not make an offer than to make one, so as long as you're making an attempt to offer a fair price based on your evaluation (whatever that is), then party on.

  • Property Manager · Livonia, MI · Member since 2011 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    is there any other kind? 

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