Here we go

[Owen Hogarth]

I don't quite understand the american ideal sometimes; now here i go. i'm starting this because it was request, i understand we all come from different places and look at the same situations differently but please no name calling.

There is so much intertwined here that its hard to unravel but lets take a look. The puritans came over because they didn't have representation in the old world, they took this land from people who were already living here sovereignly.

Then they build this nation on the backs of slaves; african americans are the only one's who were forced to come here *this is a fact* no slaves decided they wanted to work for free.

the prosperity provided by all this free labor along with all the immigration brought over great ideas to this country. Centuries of laws that were discriminator built up and unequal advantage for some while leaving others behind.

The prosperity americans have was propped up by the exploitation of millions of people, even to this day we exploit countries around the world for their resources.

I am a student of history and understand the winners write the books and its easy not to question when your on top but today so many americans feel its their right to rule supreme because they are americans. I don't think so, there has always be regulation and deregulations; look at the way the old coal mine owners would exploit the workers they had in the mines, the old oil barons, the tycoons who built the railroads, these people had children working for them, are those actions right or wrong? Thats for you to decide; what i want to point out is the fact that no matter who you elect they will collect your taxes, republicans or democrats it doesn't matter; its just what they want to spend the money on; and trust me both parties will spend your money.

If anyone on this board thinks that more laws similar to NAFA and other free trade agreements are not going to pass just check the bills in congress and see that they are sponsored by both democrats, republicans, independents, or whatever else they choose to call themselves.

If you take a look at what's being said on this thread it can be seen as very selfish and greedy; just keep your hands out of my pockets and i'll take care of my community. Let me pose this question, how many people on here give back to their communities, have you donated some sweat equity, give some money to a charity, even said a kind word to a homeless guy/ gal on the street.

My personal opinion is that these political parties are set up to keep people under control and thats it.... everyone was so happy and filled with hope for obama now he's going to be the death of our america; there is no our america its is and always will be changing; john f. kennedy faced hell to get elected because he was catholic and it was though he was going to be taking orders from the pope, now he's looked back on with rose tinted glasses.

People fight so hard against education and understanding the world outside of their little box; i've seen programs where people would shout burn the books but leave our bible alone; people still thinks the sun revolves around the earth, or don't know where the sun goes at night. . . its not about democrats or republicans i'm sure most of you guys know that those parties basically flipped during the civil rights era; i often hear people say were the party of abraham lincoln really what does that mean, in todays world it means nothing!

socialism communism there just words thrown around and mean absolutely nothing, I ask anyone of you on here who have enough money go abroad for a while spend some time in another country and see that the way we describe our political terms are 180 from the way the rest of the world uses the same exact words.

America is made up of so many people from such diverse backgrounds that to think were going to find someone who pleases us all is just ridiculous. Look at countries that are much more homogeneous than ours they still find reasons to quibble, why because that's what these ideas of political parties do, you cannot expect to get anything done if you want it done "YOUR" way unless your a fidel castro, kim jun il or the likes.

take your time to understand that the only constant is this world is change and without understanding that and thinking that we can keep things the way they were or bring back the good old days are a pipe dream.

My only hope for anyone ruling any country or a group of people is that they educate the population; with education anything can be fixed, without education we have people screaming to burn books, latching on to words that have no meaning and again i ask you ladies and gentlemen who on here invests their money in their communities and not just their nest egg for later.