Looking for feedback on my next move

Looking for feedback on my next move

Rental Property Investor · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 24 votes

Hey BP,

Long time podcast listener and forum reader, but first time poster. I have learned so much through BP already, and look forward to learning more through engaging with the community here.

I am seeking some guidance on my next move. I currently own my primary (SFH) and my short term goal is to acquire a second buy-and-hold property in my current market (I am in CT). I am looking for a single family or small multi (though most multis in my market seem to be selling all-cash, over asking, according to my realtor, and I cannot compete with that).

I purchased my SFH through a state offered first-time homebuyers program with 5% down, and have experienced some appreciation that should allow me to get to ~15-20% equity if I were to refinance. Current mortgage rate is 3.375% (with PMI on top of that), but my broker tells me (and research is supporting) that refinance rates are up near 4%. My broker has also told me that I would be able to qualify for FHA, despite the fact that I used another first-time homebuyer program already, which I view as a great opportunity for acquisition. The catch is that my current mortgage does not let me move out of the home and use it as a rental.

So, the way I see it, I have two realistic options in pursuing my next property.

  1. Stay put and continue to save until I have enough cash for a 20% down payment for a second property with conventional financing.
  2. Refinance out of my current mortgage, absorb the higher rate, obtain an FHA financed property and move into the new property to satisfy occupancy requirement. (With the higher refinance rate on my current primary, I should still be cash flow positive after expenses including vacancy, cap ex, etc.)

I feel like I would be missing an opportunity to not take advantage of the FHA program, but part of me also thinks I would be foolish to give up such a low interest rate on my current primary.

I think it would take me at least another couple of years to save up the cash for a conventional 20% down payment, but the impatient side of me does not want to lose that investing time while I still have the lifestyle flexibility to easily move to a new place.

Am I making too big a deal of the higher interest rate, if my rents can support it? Are there conventional mortgages out there with lower down payments (5%-10%) and no occupancy requirements that I should be searching harder to find? 

Any feedback on other things I should consider in my next step would be greatly appreciated!

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Robbie ReutzelBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · Shirley, MA · Member since 2014 · 305 posts · 211 votes
9y

@Matt Anderson,

I agree with you for the most part but I think you are missing another option which is to find off-market properties (distressed sellers) where you can do more creative things like owner financing, master lease options etc. If you are not familiar with those terms look them up. Banks are great but other ways of financing allow more creativity. I am in Boston but have buy and hold properties in central mass and southern NH. We have not bought a property on market in over 4 years because of competition and over pricing. 

Just my two cents. Good luck!

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  • Contractor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 19 posts · 20 votes
    9y

    I'm a contractor in the Cleveland Ohio area, who has many clients here on BP. I handle all of their flips, remodels, and buy hold properties. In order to make them appealing, and up to code. I'm currently looking into buying my first rental as well. Ive been told, and have family in the business, to not attach your primary home to your investment properties. ( for ... I hope are obvious reasons) Set up a separate LLC, and here in the Cleveland market, to buy an investment prop takes 15% down plus closing. So I'm looking into hardmoney . The way I understand it, you get into the deal, and a refi is less expensive. In the Parma area we are getting a 2 % return on every 50 grand, in our rental market. Still researching .... Ide be happy for some input :)

  • Robbie ReutzelBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Shirley, MA · Member since 2014 · 305 posts · 211 votes
    9y

    @Matt Anderson,

    I agree with you for the most part but I think you are missing another option which is to find off-market properties (distressed sellers) where you can do more creative things like owner financing, master lease options etc. If you are not familiar with those terms look them up. Banks are great but other ways of financing allow more creativity. I am in Boston but have buy and hold properties in central mass and southern NH. We have not bought a property on market in over 4 years because of competition and over pricing. 

    Just my two cents. Good luck!

  • Rental Property Investor · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 24 votes
    9y

    @Robbie Reutzel,

    Thanks for the feedback! Have you had success with any particular strategies for finding distressed properties in your areas? Are you driving for dollars, sending out mailers, other networking to connect you with distressed sellers?

    May I ask more specifically what MA/NH markets you are in? I grew up near the NH Seacoast and would be interested in investing there, but can definitely see what you are saying about competition and over pricing.

  • Engineer · Magnolia, NJ · Member since 2016 · 133 posts · 135 votes
    9y

    I had the exact thought of @Robbie Reutzel ! Instead of being limited to the options you provided, you may need to think outside the box in finding and financing/acquiring investment properties. I highly suggest reading @Brandon Turner book "Investing in Real Estate with No and Low Money Down," he dives into some different options that you can use or combine in order to purchase real estate. 

    Good Luck! 

  • Robbie ReutzelBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Shirley, MA · Member since 2014 · 305 posts · 211 votes
    9y

    @Matt Anderson

    We are located in Woburn and rehab within an hour of there including Boston and Southern NH. We own rentals in Southern NH and Central Mass as well as several other states. 

    We do a ton of direct mail and cold calls. I also have ppc, and Facebook ads running. If I was just starting out on a budget I would drive for dollars, cold call and door knock. 

  • Investor / Vendor · San Diego, CA · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 949 votes
    9y

    @Matt Anderson

    Welcome to BP!

    Agree with several of the posters. I think you can be smart and look for off-market properties at a discount while deploying BARRRR to build instant equity. Seller-financing and other creative financing strategies work with that, but it's harder. You typically have to pick between getting a steep discount by offering 'cash' or getting an off-market property for closer to market value but getting seller financing. Regardless, do a little more research and expand your options before making a decision. At least you're in a good spot with your first investment.

  • Rental Property Investor · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 24 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Justin Eaton:

    I had the exact thought of @Robbie Reutzel ! Instead of being limited to the options you provided, you may need to think outside the box in finding and financing/acquiring investment properties. I highly suggest reading @Brandon Turner book "Investing in Real Estate with No and Low Money Down," he dives into some different options that you can use or combine in order to purchase real estate. 

    Good Luck! 

     I actually have a copy of it that I read a while back, I will have to go back and give it another (closer) read. Thank you for the feedback!

  • Rental Property Investor · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 24 votes
    9y

    @Ray Lai Thanks for your feedback. I agree, I think I need to do a little more research to hone in on some other realistic options that will let me build a little more equity at a lower upfront cost as opposed to simply buying something off of the MLS.

  • Rental Property Investor · Alexandria, VA · Member since 2015 · 59 posts · 24 votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Robbie Reutzel:

    @Matt Anderson

    We are located in Woburn and rehab within an hour of there including Boston and Southern NH. We own rentals in Southern NH and Central Mass as well as several other states. 

    We do a ton of direct mail and cold calls. I also have ppc, and Facebook ads running. If I was just starting out on a budget I would drive for dollars, cold call and door knock. 

     Good advice on just starting out and finding these deals. I appreciate it, Robbie!

  • Mike HurneyPro Member
    Real Estate Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 545 votes
    8y

    @Matt Anderson YES, " Am I making too big a deal of the higher interest rate,"

    You can refinance a mortgage but you can't renegotiate a purchase price.

    You may want to find something in the Hidden Market!

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