Newbie from Bountiful, UT

Newbie from Bountiful, UT

Bountiful, UT · Member since 2016 · 1 post · 3 votes

Howdy. My name is Scott Turner. I'm married, have a bunch of kids and am in my 20th year in my career as a software engineer. I am seriously looking into real estate investing. I'm not yet an investor, but got interested while attending a seminar a few weeks ago (a Strongbrook affiliate). Since then, I've been absorbing all the info I can. I discovered the BP podcasts and have listened to several. I have read Kiyosaki, Napoleon Hill, Dolf De Roos, and others, have stared the conversation with neighbors and friends who are into REI, and gotten on the daily MLS hotsheets to start learning more about real estate in my area. It feels like there is still so much to learn, but I'm encouraged by my progress so far!

My goal is to eventually have a real estate portfolio that would create a passive income stream of at least $10,000/month. This seems like a long way off, particularly where I'm still evaluating risks, strategies, and trying to make the numbers work out. I'm sure there are many here that can help answer a couple of questions that would help me figure out how I will move forward from here.

As I've been number crunching, it seems like the market in Utah right now isn't a great place to enter. I might be overlooking something, but it seems like home prices are very inflated right now (bidding wars above the asking price are common), and rental rates seem insufficient to cover PITI when factoring in CapEx, repairs, vacancy, property management, etc. Having a hard time breaking even. Has this been anyone else's experience here in Utah?

The next question is with regards to financing. I could leverage my 401K or whole life policy, but my greatest source of funding would be a HELOC on my paid-off home. I've encountered two extremes to HELOCs. The first says to NEVER use a HELOC to start real estate investing. The suggestion there is that if you haven't been able to save up the cash to put down your a downpayment, you're not ready to start investing and you're setting yourself up for disaster. The other extreme is to leverage EVERYTHING you can to purchase as many homes as you can as quickly as you can. This is aggressive, and though I've heard it can be done with little risk, it still seems to me that the risk of default is quite high. My comfort zone leans more towards the first extreme (Don't leverage the value of the home my family is using for our primary residence), but Rich Dad seems to be telling me that my home equity is money that is not working for me, making the paid-off home more of a liability rather than an asset. I'm really conflicted on this. What advice would you have with regards to this newbie considering a HELOC to start building my real estate portfolio?

I also feel like I want to figure out my exit strategy before I even begin. Is this typical? It seems to make sense to have the exit part planned out before starting, though I realize it is likely to change over time.

By the way, am I doing this right? It's my first post on these forums, so hopefully I'm not jumping the gun by tossing my questions in with my introduction. Anyway, hi! Thanks in advance for your comments and replies!

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Bountiful, UT · Member since 2016 · 112 posts · 52 votes
10y

Welcome @Scott Turner!!! I and @Kinley Puzey are also B-town residents. 

You are VERY correct in your Utah analysis. The prices are high and the returns... well, you've run the numbers. Now, don't get me wrong, there are deals to be had. But for us beginners, those deals are usually gone before we can get to them. I've been looking in AZ, MI, and FL. I've found some good deals with good cash flow. Tennessee is another area I've heard being mentioned a lot as well. 

I can't speak to using a HELOC to fund a property, but, I know it's done. And I believe I've heard the one and only, @Brandon Turner, say he's used a HELOC, but I can't be 100% positive on that. Others have taken vested 401k's, rolled them over to self-directed IRA's, and used that money as well. My wife and I have quite a nice chuck of change in an old state retirement we're looking into rolling to do just that. @Jerry Padilla also raises another good option. 

Leverage is a good thing. Either via HELOC, cash-out refi, or self-directed IRA. Using available funds that are just sitting around to reach your financial goals is never a bad idea.

All the best, 
Aaron

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  • Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 515 votes
    10y

    Hello @Scott Turner and welcome to BP. BP is a great place for all things real estate. At BP, not only can you connect with other real estate investors, you can become more knowledgeable with real estate by taking the free online courses and watching the free online video tutorials. You came to the right place and I wish you tons of success.

  • Jeff RappaportPro Member
    Specialist · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 533 posts · 378 votes
    10y

    Hey @Scott Turner congrats on getting started in the real estate investing world! You are right in your thinking. You should know what the exit plan is before you buy a property. You should be careful leveraging your house to do a deal. You are certainly right that the market here is high and ridiculously high for income properties. However, there are always ways of getting into real estate without borrowing money or applying for conventional loans. There are still deals out there! You might have to dig for them and they may not be on the MLS but they are still out there!

    You should come to our Investor Meetup that was designed for investors on BP.  It is strictly about networking with other investors.  You will be able to ask questions and get many different perspectives from investors that are brand new like yourself or experienced investors that have been around a long time.  It is this Thursday, May 5th at 6:30 pm.  If you are interested PM me and I will give you the details.  Good luck in your future endeavors!

  • Lender · Rochester, NY · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    @Scott Turner

    Welcome! In my opinion a HELOC isn't always the best route to go for a long term strategy. Although there are no closing costs..... You have an adjustable rate mortgage, which can and will go up as time goes on. Interest rates will go up. A cash out refinance is typically a better chose as your interest rate won't go up and you can go out up to 30 years. If you choose the right investment properties, than your investments will be paying your mortgage off and the subject properties mortgage off. So down the road will you not only have your property free and clear, but also your investment properties.

  • Real Estate Agent · Herriman, UT · Member since 2015 · 28 posts · 8 votes
    10y
  • Bulawayo, Zimbabwe · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 253 votes
    10y

    Hello @Scott Turner and welcome to Biggerpockets

    those are relevant questions for the beginner.this is ideal place to get as many viewpoints as possible.

    Using home equity to conservative levels is ideal for optimal performance.An exit strategy too is ideal from the beginning

    All the best forward

  • Investor · Centerville, UT · Member since 2016 · 4 posts · 2 votes
    10y

    Hello Scott! I'm a newbie in Bountiful as well. I just posted my introduction and decided to see if anyone else was in the area. Right now my goals are the same as yours, creating about 10K passive income. I'm currently looking into buying a triplex or fourplex for my first investment, will probably use a conventional 30 year mortgage. I'm still educating myself as well, but I really think this is the best way to go. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Davenport, FL · Member since 2016 · 593 posts · 382 votes
    10y

    @Scott Turner, yes the Utah market is kinda on fire. I lived in the Salt Lake area for 13 years. Bought and sold two homes there years ago and did well. There is no way I would get the deals I had there now. Owned one in West Jordan and another in Layton. I worked in SLC. With the tech companies moving there like Workday this will probably continue. You might have to look outside to get what you want or be patient to find the right kind of deals there. 

  • Bountiful, UT · Member since 2016 · 112 posts · 52 votes
    10y

    Welcome @Scott Turner!!! I and @Kinley Puzey are also B-town residents. 

    You are VERY correct in your Utah analysis. The prices are high and the returns... well, you've run the numbers. Now, don't get me wrong, there are deals to be had. But for us beginners, those deals are usually gone before we can get to them. I've been looking in AZ, MI, and FL. I've found some good deals with good cash flow. Tennessee is another area I've heard being mentioned a lot as well. 

    I can't speak to using a HELOC to fund a property, but, I know it's done. And I believe I've heard the one and only, @Brandon Turner, say he's used a HELOC, but I can't be 100% positive on that. Others have taken vested 401k's, rolled them over to self-directed IRA's, and used that money as well. My wife and I have quite a nice chuck of change in an old state retirement we're looking into rolling to do just that. @Jerry Padilla also raises another good option. 

    Leverage is a good thing. Either via HELOC, cash-out refi, or self-directed IRA. Using available funds that are just sitting around to reach your financial goals is never a bad idea.

    All the best, 
    Aaron

  • Bountiful, UT · Member since 2017 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    I'm a Bountiful newbie as well! Does anyone want to do a Davis County meetup? I went to the Provo meetup last week, and there's a SLC one, but my Thursdays are usually booked in the evenings.

  • Rental Property Investor · Fairbanks, AK · Member since 2019 · 8 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    @Scott Turner

    Welcome to BP Scott!! Great place for networking and info!

  • Investor/Developer · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2015 · 207 posts · 106 votes
    7y

    @Scott Turner welcome to BP! I'm also a local investor and would be happy to chat any time about RE. I think a HELOC is a great tool for flipping, or for using the ‘BRRRR' strategy (Buy, Rehab, Rent, Refinance, Repeat) which can get you rental properties with very little out of pocket after the refi.

    I wouldn't recommend using a HELOC as a long term down payment though.

    Feel free to PM me to talk through some strategies. Good luck!

  • Todd BradyPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Clearfield, UT · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    @Kyle Wilson I’d love to have a Davis county meetup. Let’s start organizing it.

  • Logan, UT · Member since 2018 · 45 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    Id come to a Davis County meet up! Let me know if you get one organized. 

    We meet on the third thursday each month in Logan. You are welcome to come. 

    https://www.instagram.com/the_money_maven_project/?hl=en

  • Todd BradyPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Clearfield, UT · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    I just attended the Logan meetup this week for my second time and it was great.  It was very beneficial, I'd recommend it to anyone.  

  • Solo 401k Expert · Anaheim Hills, CA · Member since 2012 · 18k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7y

    @Scott Turner

    Welcome to the BP family! Great that you joined the site! Here are some recommendations for you:

    Find and connect with other BP members that are in your area: https://www.biggerpockets.com/search/users

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    If you wish to tag someone in the conversation on the forum, type @ followed by their name and then select the name of that person which should appear below the comments box. He or she will be notified of being tagged so that the conversation will continue.

    Wishing you the best!

  • Syracuse, UT · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Todd Brady:

    @Kyle Wilson I’d love to have a Davis county meetup. Let’s start organizing it.

     I know that I am probably late to the game, but I would love to be apart of a Davis County Meetup.... I am also new, and  wanting to soak up as much as I can and at the same time, adding value to someone else if I can. 

  • UT · Member since 2019 · 2 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Nate Halliday, if you're late, we can be late together! I would be interested in it as well. Like you, I'm still t the beginning of my learning stage. I know 2 of the guys I work with would be willing as well. Also, hello to all other Utah'ns!

  • Renter · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2018 · 278 posts · 71 votes
    7y

    How much commercial research have you done?

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