Seller Financing Concern...

Seller Financing Concern...

Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 10 votes

Hey everyone,

I've come across an opportunity in the Los Angeles area for a seller financing deal. Based on my conversation with the homeowner, its looking like a 0 down, interest only deal, fully amortized in 15yrs, which in my eyes is a STEAL. However, the reason for my post is due possibly a common situation for most trying to acquire properties outside of traditional banking, especially their first rental property. I don't have the best credit and have accumulated some debt during these years, so I was wondering with the amount of debt i've accumulated from my young and immature days, does the debt I assume with this deal become a part of the current debt i have now? or because of the seller financing it, it sort of stays under the table in a sense? Based on numbers and net worth, let's say I have $20k in debt (that's including student debt) and i acquire this property fro $350k.. does this make my net worth NEGATIVE $370k?? 

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Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
7y

Does the person actually own this or do they have loan on it ? Big difference because then it’s a wrap which is more risky and may not be wise

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  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y

    Why does this matter to you?

    Also, if this is an interest only payment, how is it fully amortized in 15 years?...and, assuming you are buying this to hold for the cash flow...what is the cash flow after the seller financing payments?

  • Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    7y

    sorry if it wasn't clarified. but im not sure if it is suppose to matter or not? and yes in 15 years either a refinance and payoff the seller.. what I meant is balloon payment.. 

  • Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

    Why does this matter to you?

    Also, if this is an interest only payment, how is it fully amortized in 15 years?...and, assuming you are buying this to hold for the cash flow...what is the cash flow after the seller financing payments?

    ^^^

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y

    ...and the cash flow during those 15 years of IO payments will be.....?

  • Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

    ...and the cash flow during those 15 years of IO payments will be.....?

    About $300 after insurance and taxes

  • Joe VilleneuvePro Member
    Plymouth, MI · Member since 2013 · 13k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Raden Mantuano:
    Originally posted by @Joe Villeneuve:

    ...and the cash flow during those 15 years of IO payments will be.....?

    About $300 after insurance and taxes

     If you sold the property today, how much cash do you think you would walk away with?

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    7y

    Does the person actually own this or do they have loan on it ? Big difference because then it’s a wrap which is more risky and may not be wise

  • Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Dennis M.:

    Does the person actually own this or do they have loan on it ? Big difference because then it’s a wrap which is more risky and may not be wise

     she is free and clear.. but ill be sure to get the proper copies to verify.. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Findlay, OH · Member since 2016 · 16 posts · 3 votes
    7y

    @Raden Mantuano

    Going back to your net worth question, not that it matters in the beginning of your investing career, but if you pay 350k for the house and it’s worth that then your net worth will still just be your student debt -20k. Net worth is simply your assets minus liabilities.

    Also I am not super familiar with the LA market but is $300 cash flow good for a $350k purchase? Is this a single family or multi family?

  • Realtor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 266 posts · 182 votes
    7y

    @Raden Mantuano

    As others have mentioned, if you are not purchasing into any equity and the house is really worth $350k then it wouldn't affect your networth. Real estate is a long term game, so I wouldn't worry about networth in the initial years of investing. My question on the $300 of cashflow, are you taking into account reserves for your capex like roof, electrical, plumbing, etc or is the property already been renovated and everything is updated? Just wondering because a lot of investor don't include this and one major expenditure could wipe out ALL your cashflow for that year or years to come. Make sure you get itemized schedule from seller when these have been done and get property inspected as well. I hope this helps and Best of Luck!!!

  • Member since 2018 · 53 posts · 10 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Curtis Rouse Jr:

    @Raden Mantuano

    As others have mentioned, if you are not purchasing into any equity and the house is really worth $350k then it wouldn't affect your networth. Real estate is a long term game, so I wouldn't worry about networth in the initial years of investing. My question on the $300 of cashflow, are you taking into account reserves for your capex like roof, electrical, plumbing, etc or is the property already been renovated and everything is updated? Just wondering because a lot of investor don't include this and one major expenditure could wipe out ALL your cashflow for that year or years to come. Make sure you get itemized schedule from seller when these have been done and get property inspected as well. I hope this helps and Best of Luck!!!

    Appreciate that.. as far as reserves I CAN have if need be. I haven't taken a look at the property just yet, just an initial convo with an old lady who's motivated. 

  • Realtor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2015 · 266 posts · 182 votes
    7y

    @Raden Mantuano

    Good deal and if you need help underwriting, I've built a financial model (example on website) I help investors with for free all the time so just let me know. Good luck on this deal :)

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