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Nuhan Demirkan
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profitability formula

Nuhan Demirkan
  • Rental Property Investor
  • La Plata, MD
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Hello, I manage my own properties and they all have various cash on cash return rates and equity. I am thinking about developing a formula that considers the annual cash flow, cash invested, equity and management hours to come up with a factor or a coefficient that could be universally applied to the existing and future rentals. Has anybody seen or developed something similar?

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I have done something similar on my properties. I think this is where the whole idea of the 50% rule and the 70% rule came from. 

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Nuhan Demirkan
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What was your formula like

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J Scott
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What's wrong with a P&L and Balance Sheet?

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Nuhan Demirkan
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I do the P&L and the Balance sheet for the banks, that's given. But that doesn't account for ROI per hour worked. Plus those tools are for the properties I already own. I'm looking to apply this formula to future purchases.

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Jeff B.
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ROI per hour worked? Tax code prohibits accounting any personal time, but the concept is a 'trailing indicator' as they say in the stock market - - all after the fact and only useful to evaluate your personal effectiveness.

Stick with cash-on-cash and just smile.  Over 18yrs, I'm at $899k (aka 22+%)

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Originally posted by @Nuhan Demirkan:

I do the P&L and the Balance sheet for the banks, that's given. But that doesn't account for ROI per hour worked. Plus those tools are for the properties I already own. I'm looking to apply this formula to future purchases.

How much is your time worth?  Assign a value, calculate the total cost of your time and then add that as a COGS (or expense) line-item.  Now you know the profitability of the investment including your time invested.

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Nuhan Demirkan
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Thanks, that is an option. I am putting together the base line thoughts to arrive at the formula. I wanted to see if anybody had developed the idea.

By the way I bought your books. I refer to them frequently. 

Thanks for writing them.