Air Conditioning Repairs/Replacement

Air Conditioning Repairs/Replacement

Investor · St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2014 · 231 posts · 221 votes

I have an issue and I'd love to hear your ideas.

I bought a rental back in June. The home inspector warned that I would probably need a new air conditioner in the next few years, so I planned to start saving all my cash flow as soon as I got tenants in. It took a few months to get it rented, but my property manager got a military family to sign a lease before they even arrived in town based on the video tour and pics.

On Sept 10th, the day before they arrived for the walk-through, PM goes to let the cleaning lady in and the HVAC is blowing warm air. He calls me, and we filed a claim under the home warranty. The tenants can't stay there because it's over 80 degrees inside, so I'm pro-rating next month's rent for every day they can't occupy the house. They haven't asked me to pay for their hotel yet, but their "house hunting leave" runs out on Monday by my math, so after that the Air Force stops paying for their hotel.

The warranty company only deals with one contractor in town and those guys dragged their feet for 3 days before sending the bids to the warranty company. The warranty company tried to offer a $500 "buy out." I called and they said that's all they're paying for. That means just to repair this ancient unit is going to cost me $1000 out of pocket. To replace and upgrade, which is the proper solution, would be over $3,000. That's a tough pill to swallow when I've only received a half-month's worth of rent, and I'm only going to receive, at best, 20 days worth next month.

Right now I just want the thing fixed and my tenants in before they decide to find another place. So I'll pay for the quick repair.

I know this problem isn't going to be solved by the bandaid we're putting on it, so I'm looking to get creative for the future.

I have heard on the podcast that some landlords will buy appliances on sale to have on-hand when something breaks. Can that be done with an air conditioner? Is there somewhere I can buy a unit, maybe put it in place myself and just have the HVAC contractors do the installation? Would that be significantly cheaper than just going through the HVAC contractor?

Another idea I had was buying a handful of window units for emergencies like this. If the main AC craps out, I could run them over, hang them in the windows as a stop-gap until the proper HVAC repair can be done. I will lose at least $400 in rent because of this little debacle, which would pay for a few small window units, or one big one that could cool half this house.

Since it sounds like the warranty company will never fully replace this AC unit, would it make more sense just to bite the bullet and pay to replace it?

Thanks in advance!

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Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
12y

Central air systems contain freon type gases (refrigerants) that cannot be discharged into the air, so you should not play with that unit unless you are qualified to handle the refrigerant properly. 

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  • Investor · Hagerstown, MD · Member since 2014 · 299 posts · 140 votes
    12y

    I would replace it for sure, and offer a few window A/Cs if the installation will take a while.

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    12y

    Central air systems contain freon type gases (refrigerants) that cannot be discharged into the air, so you should not play with that unit unless you are qualified to handle the refrigerant properly. 

  • Investor · St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2014 · 231 posts · 221 votes
    12y

    #Beth L., that sounds like a plan. I think I'll be shopping for window units tomorrow.

    #Steve Babiak, I have no intention of playing with anything hazardous. My thought was instead of buying the unit through an HVAC company, plus their markup, paying them to take it off the truck, put it in place, hook up all the lines, charge with freon, etc, that I could do the heavy lifting and only pay them for the work I'm not qualified to do. Namely, connecting all the lines and charging the system with freon once the unit is in position.

  • Real Estate Investor · Audubon, PA · Member since 2009 · 13k+ posts · 8k+ votes
    12y

    How do you get the old unit out without releasing the refrigerant?

  • Investor · St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2014 · 231 posts · 221 votes
    12y

    It's already empty. The tech on the original service call said it had all leaked out, tried recharging it and that's when we discovered the compressor was not working.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2009 · 477 posts · 304 votes
    12y

    I live in Indianapolis, and I buy all of our HVAC equipment from a place in Chicago that offers free delivery. I then have a local HVAC guy do the install. Most HVAC guys do NOT want to install equipment unless it's their equipment. 

    I don't think I can say the name of the company I use in the open forum, but if you hit me up privately I will share.. I think they will help you find a guy to install as well...

  • Rental Property Investor · Syracuse NY · Member since 2013 · 83 posts · 16 votes
    12y

    @Lee Smith , I would be so scared on my first venture with an HVAC guy, that he jacks it all up and costs much more! lol seems like that could be a nightmare too trusting a random HVAC guy lol

  • Investor · St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2014 · 231 posts · 221 votes
    12y

    @Lee Smith, Thank you! PM inbound.

    I plan on calling around town on Monday to get bids and discuss these options with various HVAC guys. I will definitely research online reviews of all the contenders and I will only deal with licensed, insured, bonded (any other adjectives needed, haha?) contractors. I agree it's not worth the risk of hiring Bubba at the hardware store who does HVAC and lawnmower maintenance on the side to save a few hundred bones.

  • Real Estate Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2014 · 316 posts · 165 votes
    12y

    Colin I was in the same spot once and called a smaller company and had a used unit installed. Cost me less than $1000 and its still running after 3 years. Your ACs might be different than Indiana's , though.

  • Residential Real Estate Broker · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2009 · 477 posts · 304 votes
    12y

    @Paul A. , Ask some of the contractors you work with locally to see who they recommend. Also, this company I use says they can help you find a licensed tech to install. 

    @Dennis Weber, When I call this company they ask me for the zipcode of the home we are buying equipment for, and they match it up appropriately.. I don't think there's a difference in the equipment, other than probably the size of the equipment needed.. I would think you might need a more powerful AC in Florida than I need in Indiana, and we also have furnaces, where florida may only have air handlers...  Again, I leave that to the pros at this company, and we have installed over 12 units so far this year and no problems.

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    Property Manager · Gilbert, AZ · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 451 votes
    12y

    I have sourced my best contractors and suppliers by referral from my local REIA. I'm on my 3rd HVAC guy right now and he is a referral from a REIA member, he's reduced my costs significantly and service is outstanding.

    We tried a so called home warranty company a few years ago... bad experience, never again.

  • Investor · St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2014 · 231 posts · 221 votes
    12y

    Well, I've stopped the bleeding. I bought enough air conditioners to cool the bedrooms, and the tenants accepted that as a temporary fix until we can get the central system repaired.

  • FL · Member since 2009 · 2k+ posts · 357 votes
    12y

    @Colin Reid,

    To make the @ work, do the following:

    Hold down the shift key and type @?

    Look below this Window, and you will see a list of names of people that have posted in this thread.

    Click on the name of the person that you want notified via an email, that you responded to them.

    If you are a Colleague with anyone that has NOT posted in the thread, and you want them to see your post, hold down the shift key, type the @ and the first 4 letters of their First or Last Name.

    Then look below this Window and click on that person's name.

    Raymond

  • Princeton, KS · Member since 2014 · 357 posts · 169 votes
    12y

    I put in a brand-new A/C unit at my rental this summer - about $1000 for the unit & installation. This is a teeny-weenie town & there aren't a lot if choices when it comes to service providers, either. 

    $3000 sounds a little high - I'd definitely look around before committing to anything. You may need a bigger unit than I used, but still . . . 

  • Investor · Boyd, TX · Member since 2014 · 688 posts · 467 votes
    12y

    I just put two new AC compressors and A-coils into two new rentals since the existings units were in pretty bad shape and I didn't want to worry about them going down soon.  Both new units with 10 year warranties installed were $5200.  I kept the two old units as backups if a unit on another property goes down.  I had to do the window unit thing for one place last year while waiting for the HVAC guy to get out in Summer and it worked ok.

  • Investor · St Petersburg, FL · Member since 2014 · 231 posts · 221 votes
    12y

    @Raymond B. 

     Got it now. Thanks for the tip I never would have figured that out on my own.

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