Looking for advice on my next move (buying rentals in other markets?)

Looking for advice on my next move (buying rentals in other markets?)

Tim CallahanPro Member
Flipper/Rehabber · Dayton, ME · Member since 2014 · 30 posts · 13 votes

Hey everyone,

So far, we have completed 3 rehab projects in the past 2 years locally in Southern Maine, and I find myself being burnt out because my partner and I have done a lot of the work ourselves to save money.  I don't want to do that anymore, and I am looking to do more in terms of buying and holding assets, rather than just rehabbing and flipping.  Right now, my wife and I are debt free except a small medical debt that we are working on paying off.  And we have about $110k in equity in our 3 unit that we live in.  The tenants pay our mortgage, but we still pay for heating, plowing, maintenance etc.

I really love the idea of finding another market, somewhere south, where we could pick up some rentals or BRRRR, and make it cashflow. Even just buying a SFH and making it work would be huge for our confidence in doing this. I used to own rentals here in Maine 20 years ago, and I invested in western PA about 11 years ago, bought like 4 cheapie rehab houses at once, and failed because I couldn't spend the time to go there every month to check up on things. I basically wasn't ready to invest out of state yet. I sold them off and had a bad taste in my mouth from the experience. Now I'm super cautious, not like the old days. But I love the idea of buying rentals in cash flowing markets, and the south looks very warm to this Mainer (GA, FL, AL).

Just looking for any ideas on how to get started, what a good strategy would be, etc. HELOC on our home? Hard/private money, then refi into a regular loan on the rental? I've worked on my personal credit a lot after a foreclosure in 2010 and a bankruptcy in 2017 (very bad time in my life), now my score is 700+.

Thanks!

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Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
3y

It sounds like you need more good debt. A HELOC is an easy way to go and could be the most affordable even thought the rates are a little high right now. HML are awful and eat up a lot of profit. I would only advise this for the more experienced investors. Right now rents are going gang busters in SWFL. You might want to look down here.

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  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City · Member since 2018 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    I'd see about a HELOC. I know here in the Midwest you can find BRRR deals sub 100K. Where ever you look establish a team to be your boots on the ground. On the 2017 I am not sure if that'll effect the refi part. If you refi'd in a DSCR loan you should be fine.

  • Nathan GesnerBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tim Callahan:

    1. I advise against any investing until you are 100% debt free. This includes medical debt or student loans.

    2. When you borrow against a line of credit, it will be at a higher interest rate than your mortgage. I only advise doing this if you can pay the line of credit off quickly. My preference is to pay it off in under 12 months. If you can't do that, then you shouldn't use it.

    3. Cashing out equity is also a method of borrowing. When you cash it out, you'll increase your mortgage on your current property, which means your payment will go up. Can the property support itself with a higher mortgage?

    A good investment pays for itself without any additional funding from you along the way. You are still putting money into your current investment by paying for heating, plowing, maintenance, etc. I wouldn't take additional debt on a property that is not self-sustaining with positive cashflow.

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  • Dan WeberBusiness Member
    Realtor · Portland, ME · Member since 2015 · 656 posts · 552 votes
    3y

    @Tim Callahan I would start by talking to a local lender and making sure you are good on the financing end to purchase properties. Even if you purchased with hard money, you're going to want to make sure that you can qualify for financing so that you can refi on the back end and don't get stuck with that hard money loan. Once you get the green light for financing, I would pull a HELOC on your personal residence and use those funds as the downpayment for your next spot. Feel free to reach out for local lender recommendations.

  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Tim Callahan:

    Hey everyone,

    So far, we have completed 3 rehab projects in the past 2 years locally in Southern Maine, and I find myself being burnt out because my partner and I have done a lot of the work ourselves to save money.  I don't want to do that anymore, and I am looking to do more in terms of buying and holding assets, rather than just rehabbing and flipping.  Right now, my wife and I are debt free except a small medical debt that we are working on paying off.  And we have about $110k in equity in our 3 unit that we live in.  The tenants pay our mortgage, but we still pay for heating, plowing, maintenance etc.

    I really love the idea of finding another market, somewhere south, where we could pick up some rentals or BRRRR, and make it cashflow. Even just buying a SFH and making it work would be huge for our confidence in doing this. I used to own rentals here in Maine 20 years ago, and I invested in western PA about 11 years ago, bought like 4 cheapie rehab houses at once, and failed because I couldn't spend the time to go there every month to check up on things. I basically wasn't ready to invest out of state yet. I sold them off and had a bad taste in my mouth from the experience. Now I'm super cautious, not like the old days. But I love the idea of buying rentals in cash flowing markets, and the south looks very warm to this Mainer (GA, FL, AL).

    Just looking for any ideas on how to get started, what a good strategy would be, etc. HELOC on our home? Hard/private money, then refi into a regular loan on the rental? I've worked on my personal credit a lot after a foreclosure in 2010 and a bankruptcy in 2017 (very bad time in my life), now my score is 700+.

    Thanks!


     Sounds like you're ready to get back into the game.

    My advice; mid markets close to you like Providence, west as far as Kansas City and maybe even Pittsburgh.  In all of those markets you can find multi family properties that cash flow well.  Hard to find down south.

    I'd agree that hard money and then refinance into a long term lending vehicle would make sense. You'll need about 20% down and once the acquisition is complete and the property is stabilized, you should be able to refinance. Keep it below 70-75% of the ARV and you'll be fine.

  • Real Estate Broker · Kansas City Metro · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Tim Callahan I can show you some good statistics on the Kansas City market if you are interested in seeing what an out of start market in the midwest can do for you.

  • Elise Bickel TauberBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Cranberry Twp · Member since 2017 · 385 posts · 198 votes
    3y

    I would really recommend starting to flip here in Pittsburgh. Great margins, lower risk (purchase price for some of these areas are very low considered to more expensive places like New Jersey, CA, New York, etc), etc. As for loans, it depends on what you want to do. I have some great hard money lenders as well as "rehab lending" options that will do as little as 10% down of the purchase price and up to 110% of the rehab costs. I know Nathan Gesner is the guru for investing and I understand the idea of not investing until you are debt free, however, I have seen clients use flip profits to excelerate their payoff of debt and start flipping with their own money instead of using hml or rehab lending.

  • Tim CallahanPro Member
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    Flipper/Rehabber · Dayton, ME · Member since 2014 · 30 posts · 13 votes
    3y

    Thanks everyone.  I did buy some houses in New Castle, PA about 11 years ago, and I just couldn't manage them back them.  My kids were younger, I had a ton of other debt, and it wasn't the right time, so I sold them all.  I appreciate all your advice!

  • Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2021 · 9k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    3y

    You will find BRRRR property in Killeen Texas. Pull the cash out with a conventional loan and deploy the money down here.

  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    3y

    It sounds like you need more good debt. A HELOC is an easy way to go and could be the most affordable even thought the rates are a little high right now. HML are awful and eat up a lot of profit. I would only advise this for the more experienced investors. Right now rents are going gang busters in SWFL. You might want to look down here.

  • Real Estate Consultant · Glendora, CA · Member since 2019 · 314 posts · 95 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Alex Olson:

    @Tim Callahan I can show you some good statistics on the Kansas City market if you are interested in seeing what an out of start market in the midwest can do for you.

     @Alex Olson I just came back from visiting Kansas City to learn more about the Real Estate market. Any information you can share would be helpful. I can send you a PM.

  • Real Estate Agent · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2022 · 147 posts · 40 votes
    3y

    Kansas City is definitely a hotspot for MF right now! 

    Right now there's a 7 unit for just 335k

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