Tenant Refusing To Turn on Heat In Winter In Order To Save

Tenant Refusing To Turn on Heat In Winter In Order To Save

Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes

I have a new tenant who recently moved in the 2nd floor apartment ( 2BR, 1BA) of a 2 unit building. Her unit was completely remodeled. Brand new kitchen appliances, windows, baths, floors, gas water heater, gas furnace etc. She is a teacher and also super busy with her church so she's barely home. She lives alone. She keeps the apt in an immaculate condition. All this to say that I like her as a tenant and we get along great!


My only problem is that she refuses to turn on the heat even though its now winter and we are in the northeast. I have explained to her on several occasions the potential problems if she does not turn on the heat ( frozen pipes, etc...). When I replaced the furnace a couple of months ago, I also installed a new 7 day programmable thermostat. Im currently renovating the 1st fl apt and turned on the heat.

The water heater and furnace both use gas and she already has the gas bill in her name. I guess she's trying to keep her gas bill at the minimum.


Is there anything I can do to force her to turn on the heat? Is there any state statute dealing with this issue? I did a quick search and all I found was issues with landlords not turning on the heat or keeping it too low when its included in the rent.

The way I see it, I have 2 options: 1) inform her of her responsibility to turn on the heat or be liable for any damages caused by the cold weather or 2) turn on the heat myself. Im leaning towards option 2 because option 1 will be too costly if the pipes freeze, heat exchanger of the furnace crack, etc and there's no guaranty she will pay for the repairs.

What do you think? Have any of you run into this problem? If so, what did you do? Thanks!

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Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2011 · 331 posts · 278 votes
12y

I'll say what everyone has danced around, she is not a good tenant. She may me a nice person, great employee, perfect family member, and deserving of many platitudes, but she is a freaking lousy tenant! She is exposing you to risk just as she would be if she breeding fight dogs or making meth.

This is your investment. Good tenants help you protect your investment. She is not going to, so she needs to leave.

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  • Contractor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2013 · 767 posts · 389 votes
    12y

    It's your property, your money and your risk. The heck with all these suggestions. Tell her to leave the darned heat on at 50 or get out. It's really very simple. So you hurt her feelings and she moves out. Would you rather her destroy your property, your insurance deny the claim and you're out all that money you just put into the rehab?

  • Wholesaler · Holiday, FL · Member since 2013 · 571 posts · 221 votes
    12y
    And how would you enforce that ruling Brian?

    stephen
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    Originally posted by Brian Mathews:
    It's your property, your money and your risk. The heck with all these suggestions. Tell her to leave the darned heat on at 50 or get out. It's really very simple. So you hurt her feelings and she moves out. Would you rather her destroy your property, your insurance deny the claim and you're out all that money you just put into the rehab?
  • New Britain, CT · Member since 2013 · 5 posts · 1 vote
    12y

    Hey Vic I am from CT and I had same issue with one of my tenants some time ago , he want's to save money any way possible so he was keeping his temps really low , I explain on few occasions to him that pipes are going to freeze and all that but he wouldn't listen , so I approach that problem from different angle , since I never had a problem with that tenant before and he was a good guy , always paid on time etc. , I didn't want it to loose that tenant so simply i helped him to get " energy assistance" this is a program to help people out if they can't afford heating bills , I don't know if it is in your state so you my want to check this out.

  • Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes
    12y

    wow, Im learning so much about this issue! thanks everyone...

    @Roy N. , how does your building monitoring system works? is it based on hardware or just software that allows you to remotely access/ control the hvac?

    @Stephen S. and @Matthew Paul thanks for heads up and tip.

    I was thinking about switching the t-stat to one of the old style ones. I have an apt where the lowest t-stat temp is 55 degrees. I never thought about it until George mentioned it. At the same time, I like the idea of a beautiful programmable t-stat.

    The heat is supplied by a brand new furnace. There was no emergency shut off switch before but i asked the hvac contractor to install one and he did ( located inside the apt). The apt is on the 2nd floor and the furnace is in the attic.

    I will talk to the heating contractor about setting up a floor temp ( might involve installing a 2nd t-stat as a couple people suggested). I will also talk to an electrician to connect the furnace shuttoff and the bath light! what a great idea! lol

  • Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes
    12y

    @Piotr Salanowski ,

    Thanks for the tip. Im in CT too. This tenant is single with no kids. She's also a teacher making decent wages. Unfortunately, she will not qualify for energy assistance.

  • Contractor · Round Rock, TX · Member since 2013 · 767 posts · 389 votes
    12y
    Originally posted by Stephen S.:
    And how would you enforce that ruling Brian?

    stephen
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    Originally posted by Brian Mathews:
    It's your property, your money and your risk. The heck with all these suggestions. Tell her to leave the darned heat on at 50 or get out. It's really very simple. So you hurt her feelings and she moves out. Would you rather her destroy your property, your insurance deny the claim and you're out all that money you just put into the rehab?

    I will assume somewhere in the lease it states that the tenant is responsible for a basic maintenance and upkeep of the property. This falls under that category, by not keeping the heat on, you are ignoring basic maintenance and creating a potential risk. Such as unplugging smoke detectors, flushing things down toilet not meant for the toilet, etc... While in my area of Texas, it doesn't mean much. I'm sure judge would be entirely sympathetic to this in the area in which he lives.

  • Wholesaler · Holiday, FL · Member since 2013 · 571 posts · 221 votes
    12y
    Yes; no doubt it does say that. And look; I am not breaking your back here - don't get me wrong. It's just that telling a tenant they have to do something and then making sure they do it is often a mind numbing effort.

    Suppose she says: Oh OK - I'll keep the heat on no lower than 55º Mr Landlord; no problemo! And then just leaves it shut off anyway. How will anybody know that before it's too late and the expensive damage is already done? Over the years I have found that relying on the integrity of a tenant is often a costly error on my part. Give me a fail-safe system over a tenant's assurances any time. Of course; YMMV. <g>

    stephen
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    Originally posted by Brian Mathews:
    Originally posted by Stephen S.:
    And how would you enforce that ruling Brian?

    stephen
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    Originally posted by Brian Mathews:
    It's your property, your money and your risk. The heck with all these suggestions. Tell her to leave the darned heat on at 50 or get out. It's really very simple. So you hurt her feelings and she moves out. Would you rather her destroy your property, your insurance deny the claim and you're out all that money you just put into the rehab?

    I will assume somewhere in the lease it states that the tenant is responsible for a basic maintenance and upkeep of the property. This falls under that category, by not keeping the heat on, you are ignoring basic maintenance and creating a potential risk. Such as unplugging smoke detectors, flushing things down toilet not meant for the toilet, etc... While in my area of Texas, it doesn't mean much. I'm sure judge would be entirely sympathetic to this in the area in which he lives.

  • Investor · Louisville, KY · Member since 2011 · 331 posts · 278 votes
    12y

    I'll say what everyone has danced around, she is not a good tenant. She may me a nice person, great employee, perfect family member, and deserving of many platitudes, but she is a freaking lousy tenant! She is exposing you to risk just as she would be if she breeding fight dogs or making meth.

    This is your investment. Good tenants help you protect your investment. She is not going to, so she needs to leave.

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    9y

    Came across this old thread and wondered what you ended up doing?

    I'm in that situation and have a tenant that wouldn't turn on gas. She claims that it's because of the deposit, but when I gave her a link to a gas company that doesn't require deposit, she cussed me out and wrote that I wasn't allowed to tell her which gas company to use. It went downhill from there. 

    I filed for eviction and of course she hasn't paid rent dec and Jan. I'll be in court on Tuesday. But we're expecting a big cold snap/snow/ice storm tonight and all weekend, so, I'm worried about my pipes. 

    Of course she won't have money to fix anything and I just spent thousands to fix the water damage from the previous tenant, who also didn't turn on the gas.

  • Member since 2025 · 1 post · 0 votes
    1y

    The absolute best way to solve this problem would be to offer the teacher $30~$60 to cover the cost of keeping the heater on during days when the room temperature fall below an agreed upon threshold. 

    For peace of mind, it's worth it, don't you agree?

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    Real Estate Broker · Cody, WY · Member since 2010 · 28k+ posts · 41k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Timothy Rei:

    The absolute best way to solve this problem would be to offer the teacher $30~$60 to cover the cost of keeping the heater on during days when the room temperature fall below an agreed upon threshold. 

    For peace of mind, it's worth it, don't you agree?


    1. I can't believe this thread is 11 years old and still garnering attention.

    2. Pay the tenant to comply with the lease? That's a terrible idea.

    He should either install a smart thermostat that allows him to set limits, or he should remove her from the property. If she is worried about her gas bill, she apparently can't afford to live in this unit. And she's hardly saving money if she's using an electric space heater as the only source.

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