Private Money Discussion

[Nghi Le]

It has been my experience that BiggerPockets and REI Clubs are not good places to find private money. The individuals who go to these places are savvier investors who are looking for a good return on their capital, i.e. hard money rates. However, this might just be my area because Seattle is very saturated with capital and investors, so I wanted to see how it's like in other areas across the nation. What has your experience been like?

I'm currently getting private money at 6-8%, but these are people I actually have a relationship with - family, friends, co-workers, etc.  I didn't "find" them; they've always been there.  I just talk about my real estate passion all the time and it catches people's attention.

I'm able to get private money at these rates because of my experience and because I'm getting hard money at 7-9%; it doesn't make sense to pay more for private money than hard money (although there are exceptions).  Back when I was a newer investor and was paying 12% for hard money, my private money was 10-12%.  My very first private lender I actually paid somewhere between 20-30%, but it was because they were the only ones who believed in me enough to lend me money when I had absolutely no experience, and it was well worth it.  I still reward that person very well today (but definitely not at the same rates).

Also, just because private money costs the same as or even more than hard money doesn't mean you shouldn't take it.  In real estate, sometimes terms matter more than price.  Some good reasons to take a more expensive private money are:

• 100% financing. It's tough to find a HML that will do this.
• Less qualifications.  No credit checks, no application, etc.  I know a guy that texts his PML, "Hey found a good deal.  Need $200k." and the PML responds back with "Okay" and they close 2 days later.
• No draw schedule.  Most HMLs typically require you to front the rehab, and then when you make enough progress, you have to request a draw, which might require things like an inspection, lien waivers, paid invoices, etc.
• No hidden fees (and sometimes no points).  Always be careful about what HMLs are charging beyond points.  I've seen "junk fees" ranging between $0 and $5,000.
• Can finance things that HMLs can't.  An example would be land or a mobile home.  Most HMLs won't touch these.

Let me know what you think of my random thoughts and please share your experience.

[Autumn Allen]

I am actually using SoFi for a student loan and while they were easy, too easy to get in with there have been some surprises and changes that didnt really sound right to me. I agree with Nghi Le, it is actually a much better experience to put a little effort into sharing your passions, and there is usually someone interested in helping. A surprising amount of people have money just sitting in a 0.001% savings and not sure who to trust and what to do. Show them what you do, take them to a job site, or a show them a recently sold flip you did and the numbers. Get to know what goals they have financially and perhaps you can be the vessel to help either other and form a great relationship. I like using promissory notes and am happy to share mine as well.