Recasting - A tool you didn't know you had!

Recasting - A tool you didn't know you had!

Investor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2014 · 129 posts · 79 votes

I got a bunch of responses on a different thread when I posted about recasting so I thought that I might contribute to Bigger Pockets community as a whole.

Recasting a mortgage is simply reamortization after paying down substantial amounts of principal on a fixed rate loan. Instead of continuing with the same payment for a new shorter period of time, the bank reflows the mortgage to be paid over the original term and interest rate but now with a lower payment. Until it was suggested to me by a great mortgage broker, I never knew it existed, and most people that I have talked to don't know about it either.

I used it after leaving my primary residence in California. I had a standard 30 year fixed rate mortgage with Wells Fargo. I had sold a rental house in another state, and I used most of the proceeds to pay down the mortgage. Of course, this took time off of the mortgage, but it didn't lower my payment. Two years later, I had to move for work, and I left the house as a rental. Regretting the fact that I no longer had access to the cash, I attempted to refinance. It was possible, but now it was an investment property so the rates were higher and the value was dropping. After I heard about recasting, I called up Wells Fargo. I had to call a few times to finally get someone who was competent, but it was very easy after that. I think there was a $200 fee and a stipulation that I could only do this once every year or two. There was also a requirement to pay down at least $10,000 or some percentage of the loan. After the change, my payment dropped $200/month. This has allowed several years of easy cash-flow.

I hope this helps someone.

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Lender · Sunnyvale, CA · Member since 2019 · 1 post · 5 votes
7y

@Tracy T.

All of the big banks offer this. It has been around for a while but it’s more known in the Bay Area where our tech workers often recast when their RSU vest or they get their large bonuses. Each bank does it differently. Wells Fargo doesn’t charge a fee, you can recast as often as you like, but we require a minimum of 20k at one time towards principal each time you want to recast.

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  • Accountant · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2013 · 10 posts · 0 votes
    12y

    Thanks for the info!!

  • Rental Property Investor · Fort Myers, FL · Member since 2015 · 15 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    @Paul Wurster  Your "recasting" post is the only one I find on here.  Thanks!  I'm currently speaking with lenders about my first rental property mortgage and Quicken Loans banker explained this concept to me today.  I've had a mortgage for 15 years, refinanced 2x and never knew this option existed.  I can see this being a great option for a year end bonus / tax refund to lower rental expenses & increase cash flow.  

  • Andrew PostellPro Member
    Lender · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2016 · 8k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    7y

    @Paul Wurster thanks for posting this topic.  You are right that not a lot of people know about it. In the investor world is super critical to have access to funds.  Often we don't want to pay off things like a mortgage, which is a write off for us, and instead use any available capital to earn us more capital.  In theory, you could pay down a mortgage and reduce your outflow.  More often than not you can leverage that cash into a property that would cash flow the same amount of savings but also provide appreciation value and principle buy down of the note as 2 additional benefits.  

  • Lender · Sunnyvale, CA · Member since 2019 · 1 post · 5 votes
    7y

    @Tracy T.

    All of the big banks offer this. It has been around for a while but it’s more known in the Bay Area where our tech workers often recast when their RSU vest or they get their large bonuses. Each bank does it differently. Wells Fargo doesn’t charge a fee, you can recast as often as you like, but we require a minimum of 20k at one time towards principal each time you want to recast.

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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Cynthia Pham:

    @Tracy T.

    All of the big banks offer this. It has been around for a while but it’s more known in the Bay Area where our tech workers often recast when their RSU vest or they get their large bonuses. Each bank does it differently. Wells Fargo doesn’t charge a fee, you can recast as often as you like, but we require a minimum of 20k at one time towards principal each time you want to recast.

     Yup, it's a big thing in the SF Bay Area. Want to buy in San Jose before selling in Oakland? This is often the solution. 

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