Cash out refi or keep rate

Cash out refi or keep rate

Homeowner · Member since 2024 · 3 posts · 1 vote

I am looking to get into investing. We currently have a house in a stable market (not extreme pricing increases currently as some markets seem to have) in am area with military bases. It is our personal house and we're in the process of moving back to the east coast (New England area) to a higher COL area. We're researching keeping this property and purchasing a new house in NE. However, we don't have a ton of cash on hand for doing so. I am looking at a cash out refi or a heloc/heloan, a 401k loan, a home equity agreement or even creative financing to do this. Investor loans I think are tricky because on the other side we're not doing an investment property, the one we currently own would be the one retained as investment. The HEI/HEA is not feasible because of the percentages most companies are wanting to take (some are over 50% of the appreciation from the date of the HEA).

The biggest question is that we'd be losing our 2.875% rate, which will be paid off in 15 yrs. A heloc/heloan won't allow us to break even on rent (even without property mgmt fees) and is up at 8.8-10%. We will be moving cross country and not involved in the management much so I don't think we can claim those losses. A cash out refi would allow rent/fees to be covered by tenant but it changes it form a 20 yr loan to a 30 yr loan and also increases the rate up to like almost 8%. Even looking at the balanced rate (which I feel like is hard because the terms are different) along with the potential to have the monthly payment/fees covered, it feels like a cash out is a better option if we did want to keep this.

Part of the current struggle is that the market was hit harder from the rate increase so sales are almost at a standstill and even with trying to sell the house, the rental market is doing substantially better because most military cannot afford to purchase in this area as the payments are over 6k/mo for buying vs 3-4k/mo for renting.

Any advice is most appreciated!

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  • Lender · Lake Havasu City, AZ · Member since 2024 · 700 posts · 285 votes
    2y

    Hi Samantha,

    It's a matter of priorities, how much equity is in the property? I would love to connect as I have numerous products in which could be beneficial to you.

  • 12 Penns Trail Suite 138 Newtown, PA 18940 · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 319 votes
    2y

    How much cashout are you able to get ? If moving into other real estate investments have to calculate how much they will potentially net you 

  • Lender · St. Augustine, FL · Member since 2015 · 120 posts · 26 votes
    2y

    Hey, @Samantha Elliott. Great question!

    Let me summarize what I understood and please let me know if I am off base:

    You are moving and currently have a property with a great interest rate, strong rental market because of military base, and 15 years left on the mortgage. You are going to be moving out of state and want to purchase a new home in NE and keep the current property as a rental. The issue you are trying to solve is getting the cash in hand to purchase the new home, potentially looking at a financial product to access the equity in the property? Sound about right?

    The first questions I would ask are:

    What term loan is your current property? If it was a 30 year with 15 years left, that amortization schedule for your principal balance looks a lot different than if it was a new 15 year mortgage. 

    Are either of you active duty or a veteran who is eligible for a VA loan? You probably would have mentioned if you were, but worth the ask.

    Are both of you listed in the mortgage and deed? There are a lot of programs for “first time home buyers” out there right now, which pretty much means all you need to qualify is meet the IRS definition which is essentially cannot have owned and occupied your primary residence for the past three years. Again, probably not, but worth the ask. 

    Where I am going with all this is, have you looked into low down payment options that you all may be able to qualify for and afford without having to use an additional financial instrument on the rental property? Keep in mind, if that property is rented, you should be able to use a portion of the rent for your debt to income calculations. 

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    Lender · Schaumburg, IL · Member since 2015 · 834 posts · 774 votes
    2y

    @Samantha Elliott as a lender I will tell you DO NOT REFINANCE THAT 2.875 RATE! Get a heloc. Yes the 8-10% rate on the heloc is hard to swallow, but it's your best option if you don't have the funds for down payment on the new home. For the new home, you only need 5% down, so the heloc payment really won't be that much (I.E. $20K at 10% is only $166/mo). It's truly the best option for your scenario for the best long term outcome, and the other options aren't close.

    Best of luck!

  • Lender · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 899 votes
    2y

    @Samantha Elliott- get a heloc in place on the present home before you move from it ....buy new property and put minimum down  ( or a little down payment )

  • 12 Penns Trail Suite 138 Newtown, PA 18940 · Member since 2023 · 1k+ posts · 319 votes
    2y

    depends on how much the investment you're using the cashout for will net you 

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